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I am wanting to get into some long range shooting and i have good scope now, but i am wanting a different reticle to help me out a bit....
my question with the rapid z is about the z800.... how in the world are the hold overs the same? say im shootign a target at 600.... so i put the 600 yard line on the target and shoot.... well, my 308 has more drop than, say, my 300 win.... so can someone explain that to this newby to the long range game?
i currently have a leupold vxiii 8-25x50 LR with a duplex reticle on my 300 win, but i have a model 700 308 i am wanting to reach out with also.... i still need to learn how to efficiently use the turrets on my leupy as i havent ever done it before....
any help would be greatly appreciated!!
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I believe you have to use a certain power that matches the reticle to your load.
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As you dial the magnification down the marks get farther apart therefore you MAY be able to use the same scope for different calibers by using a lower/higher magnification BUT the trajectories have to be somewhat similar to use the reticle at the longer ranges. Check out the ballistic calculator on Zeiss's site. It can also help you decide which reticle would be more appropriate for your rifle and for a .308 the Z-600 would probably be a better match.
Leupold addresses the same problem by marking the power ring with two triangles; one for use at max power for flatter shooting cartridges and the other for lower velocity cartridges. You can also use the technique mentioned in their instruction booklet of zeroing at 400 yds (?) or so with the 400 yd. aiming point and accepting the fact that you'll be a little off a little at shorter/longer ranges.
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I have a rapid-z 600( 3.5x10x42)on my 7 mag, I need to set it at 9.7 power for the long Range settings to work correctly, with 160 gr Ttsx at 2960 ft per second Go 2 the zeiss USA web site, u can play With the rapid-z reticle and it will show u The correct power for your load!
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I have five scopes with the RZ 600 from a .260 Rem to a 300wsm. You can manipulate your trajectory relative to the reticle by altering your zero range as well. I zero my 300wsm at 140 yards. I zero the .260 at 250 yards. This lets me use the scope on 9x - max setting - so there is no chance I'm off one way or another. Turn the ring until it stops and I'm good.
Have used it successfully out to 650 yards. In fact, I've never missed with them. Doing your homework and setup beforehand is the key to success.
You'll definitely want the RZ 600 for a 308
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I have five scopes with the RZ 600 from a .260 Rem to a 300wsm. You can manipulate your trajectory relative to the reticle by altering your zero range as well. I zero my 300wsm at 140 yards. I zero the .260 at 250 yards. This lets me use the scope on 9x - max setting - so there is no chance I'm off one way or another. Turn the ring until it stops and I'm good.
Have used it successfully out to 650 yards. In fact, I've never missed with them. Doing your homework and setup beforehand is the key to success.
You'll definitely want the RZ 600 for a 308 This
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Thought I'd chime in to help. There are 3 ways to shoot accurately at long range.
1. Have a custom turret made for your caliber and ballistic load. This is ultimately the most accurate. We use Kenton as a partner.
2. Use Rapid-Z or something similar in conjunction with our on line calculator. The calculator matches the ballistics with the ideal magnification setting. (sub tensions change at different magnifications, so our calculator will tell you, for example, to have your scope set at a specific power for matched ballistic performance). This system is also extremely accurate and you can use the same scope for many calibers
3. Use a "estimation" ballistic system. Generally offered by most optics companies and it gets you close, but not nearly as accurate.
There is a 4th also, buy target turret scope and sight your rifle in at all distances
Probably some others I have missed, but this covers the most popular options.
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