Where the hell do you get this nonsense? Wolves are in the business of killing dogs and other wolves. Boxers are pets. Wolves kill animals as big as moose just for dinner, not for territory or some other reason that would motivate them a lot more. I live with wolves and they have zero hesitation killing a dog. For the last 4 years I have been very circumspect about checking the area I hunt birds in for indications wolves are present before I put my dog down to hunt. Wolves will risk a confrontation with humans to kill a dog. They will turn on pack of hounds when they feel like it.
There are no dogs that are wolf proof or capable of dealing with a wolf intent on killing it. If there were, people in wolf country would be using them instead of losing stock to wolves. They might work deterring wolves in Florida, but they just turn into wolf [bleep] up here.
I was specific in referring only to the gripping type of dog, i.e., with an ancestry in bull baiting, boar gripping, or pit fighting. The vast majority of dogs probably wouldn't get an effective bite in on a large wolf if attacked by one.
I've personally seen Boxers in fights. They're amazingly determined to hold their grip and not give up, regardless of taking punishment. They are second only to fighting specialists in this regard. Wolves, on the other hand, obey the ordinary laws of animal behavior like any other wild animal, and will seek to avoid and/or minimize injury. Gripping dogs have been intentionally bred to disregard this instinct, and will take extreme injury while maintaining a grip. This makes them a special case among dogs. Thus, as I said, were a Boxer-sized dog in good condition, belonging to a gripping breed, able to acquire a hold, a wolf would likely rethink his choice of meals.
Could be, however, that dog-hunting wolves are extremely adept at gaining the advantage from the start, thus preventing such a dog from acquiring a grip. That's a different question, and one to which I cannot authoritatively speak.
The tale in the OP is bullcrap. A 65-lb boxer tangles with a wolf near the house, the fight carries across a creek where the boxer is subdued and held in the wolf's jaws, yet the boxer is fine except for a two puncture holes.
Yeah, right.
I didn't get the sense that it was a fight. I got the sense that the wolf got the drop on the Boxer from the start and dragged it across the stream.
I've personally seen Boxers in fights. They're amazingly determined to hold their grip and not give up, regardless of taking punishment. They are second only to fighting specialists in this regard. Wolves, on the other hand, obey the ordinary laws of animal behavior like any other wild animal, and will seek to avoid and/or minimize injury. Gripping dogs have been intentionally bred to disregard this instinct, and will take extreme injury while maintaining a grip. This makes them a special case among dogs. Thus, as I said, were a Boxer-sized dog in good condition, belonging to a gripping breed, able to acquire a hold, a wolf would likely rethink his choice of meals.
Could be, however, that dog-hunting wolves are extremely adept at gaining the advantage from the start, thus preventing such a dog from acquiring a grip. That's a different question, and one to which I cannot authoritatively speak.
What part of killing other canines don't you get? Are you just that [bleep] dense? Wolves are in the business of killing ANY other canines. They do not tolerate them. Wolves kill other wolves as often as or probably more often than they kill dogs. Even a few days away from a pack can be a death sentence to a wolf that tries to return. Wolves are adept and practiced at killing other canines, large powerful canines (wolves) that are adept as well at killing. Wolves do not get to be adult wolves without becoming expert at killing. They are not vegetarians and nobody, not even the wolf lovers leaves food out for them in case they aren't so good at killing. If they aren't good at it, they die. I don't know for sure, but my guess would be the largest mortality factor for wolves is other wolves, at least up until very recently when we started killing them again.
It's funny that no matter who or what the circumstances the 'fire will always do it bigger, badder and with more gusto. I've never seen more do nothing-tough guys in my life. Many of the photos of our resident big guts, old [bleep] and short pants prove the point.
Hay don't let the door hit you in the ass Arcesknight.
There are a lot of great guys on here but then of course there are the A-holes like you.
I've personally seen Boxers in fights. They're amazingly determined to hold their grip and not give up, regardless of taking punishment. They are second only to fighting specialists in this regard. Wolves, on the other hand, obey the ordinary laws of animal behavior like any other wild animal, and will seek to avoid and/or minimize injury. Gripping dogs have been intentionally bred to disregard this instinct, and will take extreme injury while maintaining a grip. This makes them a special case among dogs. Thus, as I said, were a Boxer-sized dog in good condition, belonging to a gripping breed, able to acquire a hold, a wolf would likely rethink his choice of meals.
Could be, however, that dog-hunting wolves are extremely adept at gaining the advantage from the start, thus preventing such a dog from acquiring a grip. That's a different question, and one to which I cannot authoritatively speak.
What part of killing other canines don't you get? Are you just that [bleep] dense? Wolves are in the business of killing ANY other canines. They do not tolerate them. Wolves kill other wolves as often as or probably more often than they kill dogs. Even a few days away from a pack can be a death sentence to a wolf that tries to return. Wolves are adept and practiced at killing other canines, large powerful canines (wolves) that are adept as well at killing. Wolves do not get to be adult wolves without becoming expert at killing. They are not vegetarians and nobody, not even the wolf lovers leaves food out for them in case they aren't so good at killing. If they aren't good at it, they die. I don't know for sure, but my guess would be the largest mortality factor for wolves is other wolves, at least up until very recently when we started killing them again.
I think we're likely, to some degree at least, speaking past one another. I'm not speaking of packs or even pairs of wolves vs another single canine, as you seem to be. I'm strictly speaking one on one. Wolves hunt large dangerous animals in packs, or at least in pairs. Singularly, they will select only smaller game incapable of damaging them. A single wolf would chase down and kill a coyote just because they're competitors for game, but gripping specialist dogs are not coyotes. They were bred for centuries specifically to disregard pain and injury while maintaining a punishing grip. When a coyote is in the clutches of a wolf, it's only thought is escape, and thus is ineffective in the battle. Not so a gripping dog.
I recall reading of a wolf in Alaska that single handedly killed at least two adult black bears. Its strategy in both cases was to harass and chase them onto a mudflat.
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An animal like this don't need no 'pack' to get the drop on a friggen boxer.
Ghost, you're right that he'd likely win by mere size advantage, assuming the Boxer didn't get hold quickly. My contention is that a wild canine will withdraw from the conflict if he's taking any degree of serious bite damage, since willingness to do otherwise would be "bred" out of them by natural selection, i.e., those that did remain in the fight despite taking damage from a bite would end up lame, unable to hunt, and starve to death, thus not passing on that tendency.
With certain breeds of dog, it's just the opposite. Human selection has concentrated in certain breeds a high degree of disregard for personal injury and a determination to hold on a bite. There's a good chance IMO that this would freak a wolf out, if a Boxer (or other gripping type breed) were able to secure a grip early on, size disparity notwithstanding.
It's funny that no matter who or what the circumstances the 'fire will always do it bigger, badder and with more gusto. I've never seen more do nothing-tough guys in my life. Many of the photos of our resident big guts, old [bleep] and short pants prove the point.
Hay don't let the door hit you in the ass Arcesknight.
There are a lot of great guys on here but then of course there are the A-holes like you.
Struck a nerve huh? It should since you're one of those I refered to in my earlier post.
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An animal like this don't need no 'pack' to get the drop on a friggen boxer.
Ghost, you're right that he'd likely win by mere size advantage, assuming the Boxer didn't get hold quickly. My contention is that a wild canine will withdraw from the conflict if he's taking any degree of serious bite damage, since willingness to do otherwise would be "bred" out of them by natural selection, i.e., those that did remain in the fight despite taking damage from a bite would end up lame, unable to hunt, and starve to death, thus not passing on that tendency.
With certain breeds of dog, it's just the opposite. Human selection has concentrated in certain breeds a high degree of disregard for personal injury and a determination to hold on a bite. There's a good chance IMO that this would freak a wolf out, if a Boxer (or other gripping type breed) were able to secure a grip early on, size disparity notwithstanding.
I think yer right Hawk, actually.
It's the same dynamic that allows a 40 pound wolverine to run wolves, and even grizzlies, off a kill.
They simply don't care if'n they get hurt and that freeks out the apex predators.
It's funny that no matter who or what the circumstances the 'fire will always do it bigger, badder and with more gusto. I've never seen more do nothing-tough guys in my life. Many of the photos of our resident big guts, old [bleep] and short pants prove the point.
Hay don't let the door hit you in the ass Arcesknight.
There are a lot of great guys on here but then of course there are the A-holes like you.
Struck a nerve huh? It should since you're one of those I refered to in my earlier post.
Not hardly just telling it like it is A-hole. You don't have enough manhood to piss off much of anything.
I think we're likely, to some degree at least, speaking past one another. I'm not speaking of packs or even pairs of wolves vs another single canine, as you seem to be. I'm strictly speaking one on one. Wolves hunt large dangerous animals in packs, or at least in pairs. Singularly, they will select only smaller game incapable of damaging them. A single wolf would chase down and kill a coyote just because they're competitors for game, but gripping specialist dogs are not coyotes. They were bred for centuries specifically to disregard pain and injury while maintaining a punishing grip. When a coyote is in the clutches of a wolf, it's only thought is escape, and thus is ineffective in the battle. Not so a gripping dog.
What is it with you? An adult male wolf, the one most likely to either kill or be killed by another wolf is often times 150 pounds. They are also the most likely wolves to be isolated single wolves. They re looking for territory and will kill what they want to, especially if they are not just passing through. hey do not need other wolves to take down much, much larger prey. There are no instances of anybody's bad ass dog dragging home dead wolves in Minnesota where we have had wolves forever. It does not happen. If it did happen, there would be one hell of a market for those dogs. There are in fact no instances of anybody's bad ass dog going out and hauling down moose that I ever even heard of, which wolves do with great regularity.
Wolves have been this way since long before there were dogs. Wolves are wolves. Dogs are not. There is no dog with any business confronting a wolf. If you think there is, bring it to me and we can turn it out at night where I hunt deer and see how long it lasts.
150 lbs is pushing it. The largest scaled are 141 and 143 in Yellowstone.
Dogs do not kill wolves. Minimally 153 dogs have been killed by wolves in WY/MT/ID region to date. Most were herding dogs or hounds running lions or whatever.
No boxer would escape a wolf, even a single wolf, with just two puncture wounds.
What is it with you? An adult male wolf, the one most likely to either kill or be killed by another wolf is often times 150 pounds. They are also the most likely wolves to be isolated single wolves. They re looking for territory and will kill what they want to, especially if they are not just passing through. hey do not need other wolves to take down much, much larger prey. There are no instances of anybody's bad ass dog dragging home dead wolves in Minnesota where we have had wolves forever. It does not happen. If it did happen, there would be one hell of a market for those dogs.
Once again, it appears we're talking past one another. I haven't proposed that a single dog can kill and drag home a single healthy wolf of significantly superior size from the wild. Nothing of the sort. I simply proposed that solitary wolves would not ordinarily persist in an effort to take down a dog of the variety that I've specified if said dog had a solid grip on it. More likely, such a wolf would seek to disengage and withdraw. Wolves seek to avoid serious wounds by instinct, whereas dogs of the variety I'm referring to disregard such and maintain their grip with persistence.
E.g., do you suppose a lone wolf of any size would attempt to take down a healthy three hundred pound wild boar? Dogs of the gripping breeds will, and they'll nearly die before letting one go once they've got a hold.
150 lbs is pushing it. The largest scaled are 141 and 143 in Yellowstone.
Dogs do not kill wolves. Minimally 153 dogs have been killed by wolves in WY/MT/ID region to date. Most were herding dogs or hounds running lions or whatever.
No boxer would escape a wolf, even a single wolf, with just two puncture wounds.
I believe the largest wolf ever shot was 175 pounds, in Alaska. There are rumors of a 200 pounder coming out of MN this fall. We'll see in the coming weeks. Prolly exaggeration with a bit of photoshop involved.
