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You've hooked up with some fine folks here, gutsy.

too bad you haven't putsy

So yer sayin yer morbidly obese. That's just super.

We're happy for ya.

Yep, but still on a treadmill and in a weightroom 4 Times a week,...morbidly obese enough to bust heads and come out on top.

Well, I really don't have a dog in this fight

But what about Jack London, White Fang ?

Mr London was clearly a dog man, and wrote stories unprecedented for his time about the realities of life in the Klondike ( To Build a Fire is one of the all-time great pieces of prose anywhere )

Case anyone forgot, here's where White Fang the fictional 3/4 wolf hybrid is pitted against a pit bull...

http://london.sonoma.edu/Writings/WhiteFang/4chapter4.html

For once Fang did not make an immediate attack. He stood still, ears pricked forward, alert and curious, surveying the strange animal that faced him. He had never seen such a dog before. Tim Keenan shoved the bulldog forward with a muttered "Go to it." The animal waddled toward the centre of the circle, short and squat and ungainly. He came to a stop and blinked across at White Fang.

There were cries from the crowd of "Go to him, Cherokee!" "Sick 'm, Cherokee!" "Eat 'm up!"

But Cherokee did not seem anxious to fight. He turned his head and blinked at the men who shouted, at the same time wagging his stump of a tail good-naturedly. He was not afraid, but merely lazy. Besides, it did not seem to him that it was intended he should fight with the dog he saw before him. He was not used to fighting with that kind of dog, and he was waiting for them to bring on the real dog.

Tim Keenan stepped in and bent over Cherokee, fondling him on both sides of the shoulders with hands that rubbed against the grain of the hair and that made slight, pushing-forward movements. These were so many suggestions. Also, their effect was irritating, for Cherokee began to growl, very softly, deep down in his throat. There was a correspondence in rhythm between the growls and the movements of the man's hands. The growl rose in the throat with the culmination of each forward-pushing movement, and ebbed down to start up afresh with the beginning of the next movement. The end of each movement was the accent of the rhythm, the movement ending abruptly and the growling rising with a jerk.

This was not without its effect on White Fang. The hair began to rise on his neck and across the shoulders. Tim Keenan gave a final shove forward and stepped back again. As the impetus that carried Cherokee forward died down, he continued to go forward of his own volition, in a swift, bow-legged run.

The question is, was London in this instance writing from experience? Surely fighting dogs were pitted against wolves on occasion in the Gold Rush.

Birdwatcher

Hell, you could live at the donut shop for all I care. I don't giva schit.

Don't go braggin about being a fat swine though.

I won't as long as you don t brag about being a nambla member

"As for the OP, if it happened at all, just like 90% of Wuff tales, it was more than likely a Coyote."

Wrong.

TRH, why post a video showing dogs trying to take down a hog????

If you think wolves and hogs are in the same class, then you are more naive than I thought.

I don't claim to be a wolf expert like some here do but I did stay in a Motel Six one night and watched a Disney flick about wolves. I bet you have watched that same one.

As for the bet, pitting your pit against a wolf, I will up the ante to five hundred.

and trh is strangely silent................

Yea,,, I figured that out about the second word out of his mouth.
Like I said earlier, the guys with zero experience where Wuffs are concerned like to talk the loudest.
Some things never change, eah?

Dogs fight. Wolves kill, in the blink of an eye. To do otherwise means injury, then they die. The slow ones already did.

Part of the Wisconsin wolf hunt regulations passed by the legislature allows for taking wolves with dogs. In a round about way, are you guys saying the Wisconsin State Legislature passed some rules that are ridiculous?

ya think?

Birdwatcher, here is the answer, I think.

"Case anyone forgot, here's where White Fang the fictional 3/4 wolf hybrid is pitted against a pit bull..."

Plus the 1/4 dog part would be the reason for being hesitant. Wild canines can't afford that luxury more than once.

All you need is a half pit bull half Alligator.

OK, now you owe me for a new keyboard.

Yep, and it was well known among those in the old dog fighting culture that wolves invariably performed pitifully in such matches. The wolf advocates, however, were always quick to offer the excuse that the wolf is a wild creature, and won't fight in a pit, only when it's out in the open in a natural setting. But put one out in the open in a natural setting, and they found that a wolf would just run away from a Pitbull.

Wolves aren't fighting specialists. If they were, they would soon go extinct, as such a specialization can only exist under the stewardship of man, and would in fact be a grave detriment to survival in the wild. Wolves cannot track and trail game as well as a Bloodhound, lacking their olfactory capacity. Wolves cannot course small game as well as a Greyhound, lacking their speed on foot. And wolves cannot fight other canines as well as a Pitbull, lacking their determination to stay in a fight regardless of damage taken. These breeds came into existence by an intentional effort on the part of man to exaggerate those abilities as they originally existed in their wolf ancestors.

Conversely, however, none of the breeds mentioned above can hold a candle to the wolf in surviving in the wild. That's because survival in the wild favors the Jack of all trades, which the wolf is.

Quick post utilized to no one in particular:

From Birdy's White Fang that was an English Bull dog from the description not a pit bull.

Redily admit I don't know jack about wolves, coyotes yes, wolves no.

Just a question wasn't/isn't there a breed of dog called Irish Wolf Hound. How did they get that name? Because it is cute or were that at one time actually used to hunt and kill wolves?

Nope. The dog in White Fang was a professional pit fighting dog, i.e., a Pitbull. Never has been any other professional pit fighting dog in the United States but the Pitbull. Fights using other breeds, or Pitbulls vs other breeds, were always considered novelty fights. Typically, when a Pitbull was pitted against a dog of another breed, the other dog was more than twice it's fighting weight to make it somewhat less of a blowout.

"Bulldog" is the name Pitbulls went by before there was a breed club for them. In the South, they are still commonly referred to as bulldogs. When the breed clubs sprang up in the US, they couldn't register their breed as bulldogs, though, because that name was already taken by the English breed of that name. English Bulldogs, however, were never used in pit fights. Their distant ancestors were used for bull baiting, but they were a very different breed then (You'd have a hard time distinguishing one from a modern day Pitbull), and that was over two hundred years ago.