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I'm surprised a DA would GAF.
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I just want to see what the DA does with the curve ball I threw him. it's frustrating to see good, common sense filled people (ideal jurors) intentionally jeopardizing or outright ruining their chances to do something good for everyone else. Si. You should've been fighting to get on that jury instead of playing pitcher. Throw curveballs after you put the bad guys in jail. IMHO It is a sleepy, laid back, rural community in which I reside. Love it. Our sleepy, laid back county government and DA's office can be very naive at times and this one of those times. The "fight" I am in with the judicial system here is not to shirk my duty to serve on the jury, but to get the DA's office to pull their head out of there asses and put some more resources and safety measures in place. I am not asking them to build a whole new secure courthouse and jail. Get some hand-held metal detectors and wand people at the courtroom entrance. Increase LE personnel. The DA told me the bailiff in the court room and one deputy sheriff escort for the prisoner from the jail to the courthouse was sufficient. The bailiff is about 5'10" 350 plus pounds that includes a 150 pound belly. I have seen him shoot at the pistol range, he is no marksman...not even close. I expect the only way he could subdue a person is by falling on them. The deputy sheriff escort is usually a 100 - 110# woman with the seniority to pull light duty. I know them personally and don't think they would be much help in a physical struggle. News travels fast in this community and word of my meeting with the DA yesterday spread quickly. My cellphone and home phone was busy last night and this morning with friends reaching out to me with their support. Two of them wanted to set up a fund to pay for my lawyer expenses, but I advised them the lawyer work is pro bono. Well, not exactly all of it, I bought the lawyer lunch yesterday. He is from the next county over and we hunt ducks and pheasant together every year.  Received a call from a friend in law enforcement this morning advising that the DA's office is going to call other counties and the military base at Fort McCoy to see if they can borrow metal detectors.  So, Mr. Blue, once again this is not about shirking my responsiblity, which is something I never did having served on two previous juries. If scolding me for my actions makes you feel good about yourself and a better man than I, I am happy for you.
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Good on you roundoak. I love it when somebody tweaks the lion's tail....
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Interesting thread. I've been a trial court judge for sixteen years, in rural Michigan. I serve in four counties with a combined population of about 65,000. We have no security for any of the Courthouses. I carry, always. Some of the lawyers carry; most do not. I've never been asked by a prospective juror if they could carry. I would have no objection, but would likely ask what they carry, what load they use and what holster.
Always amazes me when people with a bit of authority are concerned about good people with guns.
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My friend got out of jury duty this way. They ask him if he could vote a person guilty if the Evidence called for it. His answer was, hell yes and as far as I'm concerned they are all ready guilty or you wouldn't have them in jail, they told him, you are excused go home. He has never been called again for Jury Duty.
Acy you have my salute
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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Always amazes me when people with a bit of authority are concerned about good people with guns.
We desperately need more like you Sir....
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Interesting thread. I've been a trial court judge for sixteen years, in rural Michigan. I serve in four counties with a combined population of about 65,000. We have no security for any of the Courthouses. I carry, always. Some of the lawyers carry; most do not. I've never been asked by a prospective juror if they could carry. I would have no objection, but would likely ask what they carry, what load they use and what holster.
Always amazes me when people with a bit of authority are concerned about good people with guns. you'd get my vote to be retained as a judge! man oh man do I miss the old country boy common sense ways that seem to be slipping away from our societies. so nice to hear they still exist in places!
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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My friend got out of jury duty this way. They ask him if he could vote a person guilty if the Evidence called for it. His answer was, hell yes and as far as I'm concerned they are all ready guilty or you wouldn't have them in jail, they told him, you are excused go home. He has never been called again for Jury Duty. I was on a jury pool (murder) and a guy done that exact same thing...He told the judge someting to the effect that he'd done made up his opinion and that was that..... The judge looked at him and stated...Mr. so n so...I am of the opinion that you are in comtempt of this court and you will pay a fifty dollar fine or spend the night in jail...WHAM, the gavel hits the table... How do you think that worked out for him!?? lol....
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Interesting thread. I've been a trial court judge for sixteen years, in rural Michigan. I serve in four counties with a combined population of about 65,000. We have no security for any of the Courthouses. I carry, always. Some of the lawyers carry; most do not. I've never been asked by a prospective juror if they could carry. I would have no objection, but would likely ask what they carry, what load they use and what holster.
Always amazes me when people with a bit of authority are concerned about good people with guns. Dang that's refreshing. If I walked into my county courthouse with a weapon, I'd make the news for sure.
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"Everybody has principles... until they are an inconvenience." - Me
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A judge is well justified in being armed. They get threatened every so often. I used to hunt occasionally with a local judge who kept a 357 Mag right behind the law books on the bench. He'd been threatened a few times and he wasn't taking any chances.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
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I was called for jury duty a few years back and i called them and told them i was taking a Beta Blocker and if i sit for few min i can't stay awake and they may have to wake me up during the trial . They exempted me from Jury Duty from that day on and I'm on the list of not being called again.
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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It is a sleepy, laid back, rural community in which I reside. With just a couple of gang bangers thrown in for fun? You'd have thought the case of Brian Nichols would have courthouses around the country a little less naive, but apparently not. "That'll never happen here..." FYI - Sounds like everything you've done is to be applauded. Good job.
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"Everybody has principles... until they are an inconvenience." - Me
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If you walk into his office without a CCW you have no case. If you walk in with a CCW you go to jail.
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So, Mr. Blue, once again this is not about shirking my responsiblity, which is something I never did having served on two previous juries. If scolding me for my actions makes you feel good about yourself and a better man than I, I am happy for you. I didn't scold you. I expressed my opinion, that's what people do on Internet forums. If trying to deflect the conversation from the topic at hand to the perceived slight you received from me and my alleged holierthanthouness makes you feel better, I am happy for you. I started this thread with the assumption that you would make a better juror than the average bear and my frustration stemmed from that assumption. I realize now that I know nothing about you except for your single first post on this thread and my assumption was baseless. Carry on.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Meeting over with the DA.
DA started by stating the specific reason for the meeting.
1) Did I have specific knowledge that the defendant's, defendant's families or associates issue threats of violence against present or prior judges, law enforcement or jurors?
My reply. No
2) Determine the basis for my objection to serving on a jury due to safety concerns.
My response verbally.
Will there be walk thru or hand held security weapon detectors at the court house entrance or court room?
DA - No
Will there be additional law enforcement in place?
DA - No Bailiff and Deputy Sheriff escorting defendant from jail.
Will the judge be armed?
DA - Do not know and will not ask him.
My lawyer summed up the question and answer session briefly.
"There are going to be violent defendants in your courthouse with known connections to out of state gangs and past criminal records and you demonstrated here today that there is no heightened concern for public safety. It will be business as usual.
My client has deemed serving on a jury under these circumstances not safe unless extraordinary safety measures are put in place or he is allowed to petition the judge for permission to conceal carry a handgun. He asks that you take his objection to serve on a jury to the judge for consideration of a jury exclusion." Excellent job sir..
"Around here you can't get into the courthouse for any reason with out going through a metal detector first." Same in Fairfax County, VA.
Think for a second.. No bailiff or cop (or, it was supposed to say, "No." "just a bailiff and deputy......." Judge not armed. DA not armed. Violent a-holes in the courtroom - do you REALLY think those punks don't have the means to cause serious damage/injury to others in the courtroom just because they've been 'swept'?? You done good, roundoak.. Proud of ya...
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Interesting thread. I've been a trial court judge for sixteen years, in rural Michigan. I serve in four counties with a combined population of about 65,000. We have no security for any of the Courthouses. I carry, always. Some of the lawyers carry; most do not. I've never been asked by a prospective juror if they could carry. I would have no objection, but would likely ask what they carry, what load they use and what holster.
Always amazes me when people with a bit of authority are concerned about good people with guns. Well... we COULD export some of Saginaw's finest up to your neck of the woods. 
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AJ300MAG.....Gee, thanks for the offer, but I already see quite a few from Saginaw, and Flint, etc... Go up north for the weekend, have a few beers, beat the wife/girlfriend and go to jail. You ever get up around the Standish - Tawas area let me know. I'll buy lunch....and try to keep you out of trouble. Lol
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AJ300MAG.....Gee, thanks for the offer, but I already see quite a few from Saginaw, and Flint, etc... Go up north for the weekend, have a few beers, beat the wife/girlfriend and go to jail. You ever get up around the Standish - Tawas area let me know. I'll buy lunch....and try to keep you out of trouble. Lol Thank you sir! I'd appreciate that. Been wondering how your son is doing in the Navy. I get up to Oscoda a couple of times a year to shoot midrange matches. I'll let you know... Back to the regularly scheduled program.
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Interesting thread. I've been a trial court judge for sixteen years, in rural Michigan. I serve in four counties with a combined population of about 65,000. We have no security for any of the Courthouses. I carry, always. Some of the lawyers carry; most do not. I've never been asked by a prospective juror if they could carry. I would have no objection, but would likely ask what they carry, what load they use and what holster.
Always amazes me when people with a bit of authority are concerned about good people with guns. ================== If anything like northern Va, in 4 more years,your pension is going to be sweet,your honor.
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