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Tikka's out of the box smoke Remy's, even the fixed up ones.

So I call shin-an-agains on that one.

I think most "less experienced" people have more luck fixing up remy's for 2 reasons
1) They are much simpler, which means it's hareder to screw them up
2) there are a ton of aftermarket parts (cheap ones too).

This being said if I ever start am. gunsmithing I'll be looking for a remy too.

Do you have a definition for more "as" accurate as this, or are we just choosing to ignore the facts posted. Be that as it may, this is accurate enough, out of the box Model 70 in 375 H&H with two different bullet types:


Now if you are talking "benchrest" competition accuracy then we might have something to agree on...

Pick something with a smaller bore and it get tougher.

I didn't say you couldn't find a good one.
I did say they have [bleep] for a safety framework

300 H&H...200 yards, is that a smaller bore?

Because they work as advertised, they're excellent value, and they're as accurate as any production rifle made, maybe more so.

Jorge1,

Y0u have quite a shooter. I'd never part with it, unless you want to sell it to me

My other 375 with 270 TSXs:


And my 338 with 210 Partitions:


no doubt 700s are accurate rifles, but I'll take this level of accuracy without all the baggage...

You do understand we are discussing overall, not examples of a few. Ain't seen a smith that needed 82 trick moves for a Remington.

This is probably a discusson that I shouldn't get into but some things have to be said.

In the past 50 years with quite a few Mod 70's and Rem 700's chambered in various calibers from 222 through 30-06, I have had more "out of the box" accurate Mod 70's than 700's. To expound a bit by "out of the box" I mean rifles that required nothing more than a trigger adjustment, no bedding, no forend work, just unpack them, adjust the trigger, install a scope and shoot good one MOA, or less, groups. In every instance with the exception of a 700 chambered in 260 I could have used any one of the 70's or 700's to hunt with.

70's seem to less often require additional smithing to make their owners happy a lot of that may be because 70's are more often using as big game hunting rifles. Another reason is that because 700's are like 10/22's, in the sense that there is a ton of aftermarket items available for them. Also the issue that most gunsmiths find the 700's much easier (read easier meaning faster to set up for lathe work, etc) to work on because of the round receiver design.

I own 70's and 700's and a few other brands, to me it is just another Ford, Dodge, Chevy thing - whatever turns you on. Overall I do prefer the feel of the 700 stocks but that is not an accuracy issure simply a preference.

drover

Bart Bobbitt, long time competitor at Camp Perry, says that the Rem700 is not as good as the Win M70.

But he uses aftermarket barrels.

May 1997 issue of Precision Shooting, showed an actual-size copy of a 3.325" 20-shot group shot at 800 yards by "Bert Bobbit [sic] with his Krieger Barrelled PALMA rifle.

Krieger did not ask his permission or even spell his name right.
But he does have thousands of posts on the internet explaining why the M70 is better for accuracy.

The NRA symbol for accuracy is an icon painting of Bart.

Using Google, here is one of his posts from the 1990s:

Remington M700 tangs are not as stiff as the Winchester M70 tang. A
common problem with Remingtons is their tang gets bent from torquing up
the rear stock screw too tight. This pulls the tang down and compresses
the bedding (stock plus epoxy if used). When this happens, the bedding
is a bit more elastic than the steel and it comes back up somewhat. But
the tang is now bent down more than before and doesn't come back. This
results in the tang now putting the back end of the M700 receiver at a
higher point relative to the bedding. As such, there's less contact
between the back half of the M700 receiver and its bedding. Which ends
up causing accuracy to get worse. Rebedding the receiver will solve
this problem; original accuracy returns. With bullets heavier than 160
or so grains shot with powder charges greater than about 45 grains,
there's enough vertical flexing of the receiver as it pivots on the
recoil lug to cause the M700's tang to eventually bend up. After this
exercise continues for about 300 shots, the tang is no longer well
bedded; time to rebed again. As the M700's round receiver doesn't
resist twisting very well, that torquing aggrevates the bedding too,
but probably not as much as vertical flexing from recoil.

+1 gotta agree with the man there

However - that does make them more like a 10-22 than anything else...

There are soe things I like on a M70 over the M700, mostly looks. I seriously doubt, however, that you would find an accuracy gunsmith that would agree that a M70 action makes for a better platform than a M700 (or the dozens of 700 clones) from an accuracy standpoint.

I've also found this to be the case....

So would a M70 PF be the besterest of both worlds? Charlie Sisk likes to use them. ...

Here's my stock'64 vintage Mod 70 308 barreled action [not pre].. see nothing special about it over my 700,s but at least it says made in USA !

I'll take my Sakos and Mausers any day over a Remington. got rid of my last Remington a while ago, don't miss it.

There are 100 bolt action designs that create a spectrum of features created by extra machining steps from the Rem 700 = VW bug to the custom Mauser = Bugatti.

When we evaluate another bolt action we grade per where it falls on the spectrum, i.e. the Howa is at the 50% mark half way in between.

Howsa about comparing the lug area?

there aint nothin' wrong with a push feed model 70....had really good luck with them...

Didn't read all because it started so stupid....sorry