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I shoot lots of buck. OO is the way to go if peeps is the target. 4's just don't have enough penetration. They will go "splat" on a thick skull.
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#4 buck is amazing. Think 27 simultaneous hits from a 22LR. Sort of. If it can kill a 150 lb whitetail buck running , it will have zero problems killing a perp and it won't shoot thru the walls. If I shoot at a Perp with #4 shot I don't expect them to survive.
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7 1/2 bird shot...............surgeon's nightmare 00 - I'd rather use a mortician's nightmare than a surgeon's nightmare....
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If it can kill a 150 lb whitetail buck running , it will have zero problems killing a perp and it won't shoot thru the walls. 1) If they're inside the "walls", #9's will work just as well, or better. 2) Possibly killing a whitetail deer and absolutely stopping an attacker have little in common.
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#4 buck is amazing. Think 27 simultaneous hits from a 22LR. Sort of. If it can kill a 150 lb whitetail buck running , it will have zero problems killing a perp and it won't shoot thru the walls. If I shoot at a Perp with #4 shot I don't expect them to survive. what the [bleep] are your walls made of? Inside a house I can't believe 2 sheets of 1/2 drywall is stopping 7 1/2, let alone #4 buck.
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#4 buck is amazing. Think 27 simultaneous hits from a 22LR. Sort of. If it can kill a 150 lb whitetail buck running , it will have zero problems killing a perp and it won't shoot thru the walls. If I shoot at a Perp with #4 shot I don't expect them to survive. what the [bleep] are your walls made of? Inside a house I can't believe 2 sheets of 1/2 drywall is stopping 7 1/2, let alone #4 buck. "Thru" the walls which I mean exterior walls in my house would be 1/2 sheetrock,1/2plywood and siding. I hope it does not shoot thru it but if it does it should stop on the neighbors sheathing. Inside walls it should go right thru, I am concerned about killing my neighbors. I know the location of everyone else in my house.
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If it can kill a 150 lb whitetail buck running , it will have zero problems killing a perp and it won't shoot thru the walls. 1) If they're inside the "walls", #9's will work just as well, or better. 2) Possibly killing a whitetail deer and absolutely stopping an attacker have little in common. There is no possibly killing a whitetail deer..it was hit and died with # 4, you know the chitt you said would splat on your skull. I would think a deer would withstand a buckshot load a whole lot better then a human. .
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Back to the original, given that choice I would take the #4.
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There are guys over at M4 Carbine who make a compelling arguement for this size. Whatever you buy, if you are after tight patterns, Federal's Flight Control Wad is what you want. It SPANKS everything else.
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7 1/2 bird shot...............surgeon's nightmare 00 - I'd rather use a mortician's nightmare than a surgeon's nightmare.... ought to get that on a t shirt of bumper sticker!
Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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Behind my door are 5 double O's, in a model 12
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00 Buck, with a couple Foster slugs as back up.
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There is no possibly killing a whitetail deer..it was hit and died with # 4, you know the chitt you said would splat on your skull. I would think a deer would withstand a buckshot load a whole lot better then a human. . By possibly, I mean they won't kill you if they run away. I've seen lots of stuff shot with #4 buck, including a couple of exceptionally thick skulled democrats it didn't stop that 00's would have. I've also seen many killed with a load of #6's from a .410. I reckon it just depends how many times you want to shoot 'em and how far it is okay for them to run.
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You might want to pattern some in your gun at the range you anticipate using it.
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There is no possibly killing a whitetail deer..it was hit and died with # 4, you know the chitt you said would splat on your skull. I would think a deer would withstand a buckshot load a whole lot better then a human. . By possibly, I mean they won't kill you if they run away. I've seen lots of stuff shot with #4 buck, including a couple of exceptionally thick skulled democrats it didn't stop that 00's would have. I've also seen many killed with a load of #6's from a .410. I reckon it just depends how many times you want to shoot 'em and how far it is okay for them to run. But we are talking about someone breaking into your home correct? I mean if this were to occur outside a house then by all means I would pick 00 or 000 without hesitation. I just don't think you need more then 4 buck inside a house
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Heck, I don't know...he said "social work". I suppose it would have been better if I'd a just said...
"Any size will work, but remember, don't count on shooting a democrat in the head.".
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Seems we are talking defense, period. There is no reason to pick #4 over 00.
We sure weren't racked up with #4 when boarding a 25' boat and I've seen the difference betwixt the two.
Of course the coyote and deer killing analogies are wonderful arguments when we are discussing stopping a meth head.
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it depends on how far you anticipate shooting. At room distances bird shot has not had time to dispurse and you get a thick pattern.
Try 00 buck at about 30 yards and see what you get.
number four is a much denser cloud even tho the individual pellets are not as heavy as 00, but you get more of them. There is a guy in the area here that does do a number on the chamber mouth of shotguns that makes them shoot longer5.
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00 buck is what you want.
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