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Your FFL doesn't know his ....

Never mind,

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The US military in CA can carry original Model 1911A1's, yet CA deems them unsafe. So CA knows more than our military. Yeah, right!

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I was born in Inglewood, CA. I have lived in So Cal my entire life. But for the weather, I'd be outta here.

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Was saying the same thing this afternoon having to put up with people driving in a light rain, and acting like it was some kind of thunder storm with no visibility!

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The FFL can have the gun in CA - they can sell it within the state as a LEO only gun - I have gotten a couple sweet deals as a LEO, even though the whole thing disgusts me.

I suggest civil disobedience, but cant give you any details, lets just say if it was a single shot, or single action only you could buy it. look around, there are FFL's in CA who have the SA only S&W parts in their shops and will buy them back from you in a New York minute.


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Originally Posted by George_De_Vries_3rd

Feel for you. I often feel that we all are safer when our legislatures are on break; it seems axiomatic that when you are elected to office--state or federal--these guys have to pass stuff with little back ground knowledge. We have a proliferation of laws, rules, regulations, limits, and stipulations with 95 % of their proponents knowing not a jot or tittle what the ramifications are, or whether the original goal was realized.

Thanks, I feel better now grin

I'm sure it was passed as some sort of "gun safety" law. What a crock. I'd bet very few of the legislators actually read the bill, or knew anything about guns.

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A LEO purchasing the gun has nothing to do with it! Purchaser can't leagly own the gun in California therefore can't leagly sell it to any one... FFL that has the gun can't leagly sell the gun because also it isn't his to sell... Fact it should already be on the FFL's books as having to be returned to seller. That seller can sell it to who ever he/she wants, as long as it is outside of California or to a LEO... but theres already been a few law officers in Los Angeles being brought up on charges of illeagly importing for sale.

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I'm getting out of California while I can. Luckily the Air Force will provide that opportunity. Plus I have a girlfriend who wants to live in the same area I do later on in life. wink

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As mentioned it has been in effect for some time. When it was originally written it required new models or even variations of the model to be submitted for a destructive drop test. IIRC it there had to be several (I think 5 of each) submitted for the destructive testing and something as simple as a change in barrel length would require more testing. At the time some of the smaller custom shops like Wilson Combat and Freedom Arms said there was no way they would ever sell in california, they could not financially justify the loss of product to comply with testing. I know some caved and over one model for sale in California.


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Originally Posted by EricM
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I hate that rule too, but are you sure about the 629? I see them for sale in my gun shop all the time.

If you look at the top DOJ link I included, the 629 series starts with the 629-6. The -2 to -5s are not on the roster.

There's got to be some way to make this happen..

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Sorry to hear it all due to a dash model ....nucking futs


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Law has been on the book for quite a few years, Jan, 2002 or 1003 I think... Never buy a handgun without checking the list first, and don't take it for granted if it was legal last month that it is legal this month!

Best bet, buy it from a California dealer, it they're selling it then it's leagal... and cheaper in the long run. Even if your buying a used gun/rifle the FFL Dealer is required now to collect a sales/use tax on it... not to mention that the transfer is more expensive for a used out of state gun!

So even if it was a legal gun one that was on the list, by the time you paid shipping, use tax, and transfer, well!


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Immediately move out of that communist chithole and have the FFL send it to one in your new home state, take possession there.

Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Greyghost
A LEO purchasing the gun has nothing to do with it! Purchaser can't leagly own the gun in California therefore can't leagly sell it to any one... FFL that has the gun can't leagly sell the gun because also it isn't his to sell... Fact it should already be on the FFL's books as having to be returned to seller. That seller can sell it to who ever he/she wants, as long as it is outside of California or to a LEO... but theres already been a few law officers in Los Angeles being brought up on charges of illeagly importing for sale.

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Some of this is partly true some totally true, but it misses the point that there are ways out of this predicament for the buyer - I amnot saying it wont take some paperwork and maybe some shipping charges, BUT - a knowledgeable FFL could clean this mess up - so STOP MAKING IT WORSE BY BEING A NAYSAYER.

Those cops were walking close to the edge - most people wont get into trouble because they are not trying to use their LEO status for profit.

This can be cleared up without using the LEO exception. You missed my point.

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California sucks and I knew that 10 years ago when I lived there. It will never go back to what it used to be. Too many winners leaving the state and more and more losers moving in.


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If it can be done, head over to the CalGuns website and ask there, if there is a way to do it they will know how. You might be able to do it if it is bought within CA, check with CalGuns.

I have seen mountain guns for sale in CA, so maybe it is bringing an out of state guns in...not sure.







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Originally Posted by Greyghost
A LEO purchasing the gun has nothing to do with it! Purchaser can't leagly own the gun in California therefore can't leagly sell it to any one... FFL that has the gun can't leagly sell the gun because also it isn't his to sell... Fact it should already be on the FFL's books as having to be returned to seller. That seller can sell it to who ever he/she wants, as long as it is outside of California or to a LEO... but theres already been a few law officers in Los Angeles being brought up on charges of illeagly importing for sale.

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That is not accurate, guns not on the approved list are not illegal to own, I believe this is a list listing what gunshops can and cannot sell. When the Ruger LCP came out it was not on the list, but a gunshop ordered it with a 6" barrel to make it legal. Once they sold it to me, I brought it back and asked them to make it a 2", which they did as a repair. A year later I sold the gun to another private party using an FFL. Like I said, that list is for dealers selling guns, I don't think it applies to private sales within the state. I am pretty sure if you want a 629-4 you can find and own one, not sure about one from out of state.







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Originally Posted by EricM
I knew there was a banned list (certain "assault" rifles, etc.) but had no idea there was a list for handguns like this. I mean, come on, it's a freakin' revolver! Give me a break.

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Well it's about the drop test, not lethal effectiveness.







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I almost feel good about living in NY crazy

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A LEO purchasing the gun has nothing to do with it! Purchaser can't leagly own the gun in California therefore can't leagly sell it to any one... FFL that has the gun can't leagly sell the gun because also it isn't his to sell... Fact it should already be on the FFL's books as having to be returned to seller. That seller can sell it to who ever he/she wants, as long as it is outside of California or to a LEO... but theres already been a few law officers in Los Angeles being brought up on charges of illeagly importing for sale.

Phil


That is not accurate, guns not on the approved list are not illegal to own, I believe this is a list listing what gunshops can and cannot sell. When the Ruger LCP came out it was not on the list, but a gunshop ordered it with a 6" barrel to make it legal. Once they sold it to me, I brought it back and asked them to make it a 2", which they did as a repair. A year later I sold the gun to another private party using an FFL. Like I said, that list is for dealers selling guns, I don't think it applies to private sales within the state. I am pretty sure if you want a 629-4 you can find and own one, not sure about one from out of state.



Just finished the thread, I didn't realize you were talking about THAT particular revolver...sorry







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Did I ever tell you guys I'm glad I live in Utah!

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Did I ever tell you guys I'm glad I live in Utah!


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