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These guys chasing him are not idiots, and will play him at the expense of public knowledge if they think it will help finish this, as they should,


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Originally Posted by Sycamore
"It's one thing to burn your truck as a diversion, it's another to break your own axle as a diversion, plus burning part of your arsenal. ..."


Is there a report somewhere that the truck's axle was broken, and that some of Dorner's weapons were destroyed in the truck fire????

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Originally Posted by ltppowell
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A fugitive ex-cop suspected of gunning down three people abandoned his pickup truck when its axle snapped on a rugged fire access road in the San Bernardino Mountains, where a search for fugitive entered its third day on Saturday, officials said.
An arsenal of weapons and survival gear was found inside the burned-out pickup truck that Christopher Jordan Dorner set afire Thursday morning the Big Bear Ski Area official said.

Authorities said it appeared that the axle of Dorner's truck broke when he briefly lost control of his Nissan pick-up on the access road, which is intended for use by heavy-duty fire equipment.

He set off on foot, then backtracked using his same footprints, before setting off on a different course and disappearing into the wilderness, according to officials, who spoke on the condition on anonymity.

That touched off a massive manhunt in the town of Big Bear and the surrounding mountains, where more than 100 law-enforcement officers fanned out again Saturday.

After suspending their effort Friday night because of blizzard conditions, Authorities hoped clearing skies would allow them to send up aircraft with heat-sensing technology that could help them locate Dorner, a fired LAPD officer bent on revenge.

Teams of officers in cold-weather gear knocked on doors and at times broke into locked vacation cabins in the picturesque mountain town on the off chance that the police- and military-trained veteran had taken refuge there.

"We are prepared to continue the search until he's either found or they have evidence that he is no longer on the mountain." San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said.

Dorner is wanted in the slayings of the daughter of a retired LAPD captain and her fiance, who were killed last Sunday. On Wednesday, authorities said, he shoot three police officers, killing one, in Riverside.

Authorities found a 11,000-word manifesto posted on what they believe is Dorner's Facebook page, vowing revenge against those he holds responsible for his 2009 firing from the Los Angeles Police Department.

"Any threat assessments you generate will be useless," the posting read. "I have the strength and benefits of being unpredictable, unconventional, and unforgiving."

Along with LAPD Chief Charlie Beck and several police police officers, the manifesto also mentions actor Charlie Sheen, describing him as "awesome."

In an online video posted Saturday by TMZ.com, Sheen, delivered a message of his own the accused killer.

"You mentioned me in your manifesto, so thank you for your kind words," he said. "I am urging you to call me. Let's figure out together how to end this thing. Call me. I look forward to talking to you."

Authorities have said they do not know how long Dorner had been planning the rampage or why he drove to the San Bernardino Mountains. Property records show his mother owns undeveloped land nearby, but a search of the area found no sign of him.

It was also unclear whether he had provisions, clothing or weapons stockpiled in the area, where temperatures barely climbed above freezing Saturday despite the sunny skies.

In addition to his training with the LAPD, Dorner also received specialized training as a Navy Reservist, earning a rifle marksman ribbon and pistol expert medal.

He was assigned to a naval undersea warfare unit and various aviation training

A digital billboard along Santa Monica Boulevard on the Westside of Los Angeles shows a "wanted" alert for former Los Angeles police officer Christopher Dorner on Friday, Feb. 8, 2013. He is the suspect in the shooting deaths of a former LAPD captain's daughter and her fiance, and two other shootings that left an officer dead and two others wounded. (AP Photo/Reed Saxon) units, according to military records.
He took leave from the LAPD for a six-month deployment to Bahrain in 2006 and 2007. An LAPD newsletter has carried a photo of Dorner with then-Chief Bill Bratton, who gave him a gold coin as a souvenir.

Last Friday was Dorner's last day with the Navy and also the day CNN's Anderson Cooper received a package that contained a note on it that read, in part, "I never lied." The coin that Bratton gave him, now riddled with bullet holes, was also in the package.

Dorner had accused his training officer of kicking a suspect during an arrest. He was fired for lying when his version of events could not be substantiated.

Monica Quan, 28, the woman killed last Sunday, was the daughter of the now-retired LAPD captain who represented Dorner at the Board of Rights hearing that led to his firing. Her finance, Keith Lawrence, was also fatally shot.

Authorities said they've received tips from around Southern California claiming to have seen Dorner. However, there have been no substantiated sightings since Thursday, when authorities found his tracks near his abandoned truck.

With every law-enforcement officer a potential target, agencies around Southern California are taking extra precautions.

Officers are being deployed in teams, and security patrols have been posted near the homes of those officers targeted in Dorner's manifesto.

Down in San Diego, a massive traffic jam developed at the Mexican border, where officers wearing body armor and cradling rifles were photographed watching traffic heading through the unusual bottleneck at the Mexican border.

But police and federal agents would not confirm if the unusual police tactics at the border was a result of the manhunt for Dorner at the busiest border crossing in the world.


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Are theses reports the truth?

Is this guy in a world of hurt from his original plan or was this a planned move as a diversion?

Will he be found dead from hypothermia, or will he appear somewhere committing murder?
The weather can get anybody, but my sense of it is he is pretty highly trained and probably isn't going to die from a snowstorm alone. If he was hurt or wounded maybe, but he seems to have some skills.


I'll be very surprised if they find this POS bunkered down for over a week in those conditions. That's usually not in the Boonus Africandus DNA.

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Originally Posted by achadwick
What's your source, Pat?


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This schitt is great propaganda.

It totally destroys the meme of the angry white male.

How will they deal with a liberal, angry, black, gun-nut, cop-killer?

Again: They Can't Blame The TEA Party.



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Originally Posted by GreatWaputi
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What's your source, Pat?


http://www.ksl.com/?sid=24014530&am...truck&fm=home_page&s_cid=queue-1
So back tracking screwed the blood hounds?


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Originally Posted by gonehuntin
This schitt is great propaganda.

It totally destroys the meme of the angry white male.

How will they deal with a liberal, angry, black, gun-nut, cop-killer?

Again: They Can't Blame The TEA Party.



Easy. They justify it


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Hell, They are re-opening his case and will probably exonerate him before it's all over.

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Blame any weird thing you want, but the obvious reason is that LAPD fired him and ruined his life because he was an honest guy.

And police dogs are pretty worthless.


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Originally Posted by eyeball
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What's your source, Pat?


http://www.ksl.com/?sid=24014530&am...truck&fm=home_page&s_cid=queue-1
So back tracking screwed the blood hounds?


No, but 100 bumpkins running up and down the scent trail before the dogs get there does. Picture turning 100 racoons loose and expecting the dogs to know which one to follow.


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.... and all dogs are not equal.


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True enough, but as you well know, all it takes is time to train a dog. When it's your full time job, they're usually pretty good. Burning the vehicle would keep his scent from being isolated. I'll be imppressed if that was his intention. My guess is the tracks he actually made were back to the road where he car jacked another girl.


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Originally Posted by siskiyous6
Blame any weird thing you want, but the obvious reason is that LAPD fired him and ruined his life because he was an honest guy.

And police dogs are pretty worthless.


No, LAPD "ruined his life" because he was unfit to be an LEO. Glaring evidence of that is his actions he is now taking, murdering innocent people completely unrelated to his case.

The guy was a problem from day one. He possessed attitudes, tactics (lack thereof), a chip on his shoulder, a complete lack of self control, and a professional victim mentality. If anyone can't see that as the case with his recent actions, then there will be no way to convince you otherwise.

LAPD saw him as a problem. A liability to everyone around him. And they dealt with it.

Now, is there something to his complaint that this FTO kicked a suspect? I believe there could be. But, at the time, it also appears LAPD went on the best information they had. Witnesses (impartial witnesses...bystanders) said no such thing happened. It came down to the word of someone who had a chip on his shoulder and made numerous dumb azzed complaints against many of his fellow officers, and a proven officer and other witnesses.

I wouldn't dispute that LAPD saw this as an opportunity to get rid of an undesireable officer with very questionable mental stability, firearm handling awareness and skills, tactics, and motivations. It was only a matter of time before this nutcase hurt himself (again) or others.

Again, is there something to his complaint against his former FTO? I think there could possibly be. Maybe if he hadn't of been such a whiny little b!tch and made bogus complaints so many times in the past, he would have been given more credibility in this instance...who knows.

As far as I'm concerned, his completely psychotic and completely outrageous actions NOW show that the LAPD had him pegged as a real problem THEN, and took action to remedy it when they had the chance. It was a convenient excuse to rid the department of someone clearly not cut out for the job.

"Honest Guy" even if he was that, does not equate to "sane guy" cut out for the job.



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Speaking of dogs.......... why don't you guys close to her talk Sheila Jackson Lee into going out to Big Bear?

Put her in a camo jacket and cap. Have her drive out in a pickup.

Make, model, and color don't matter.

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what a friggen coward. hopefully he will be on ice soon with no loss of additional life.


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Originally Posted by DaveR
Originally Posted by siskiyous6
Blame any weird thing you want, but the obvious reason is that LAPD fired him and ruined his life because he was an honest guy.

And police dogs are pretty worthless.


No, LAPD "ruined his life" because he was unfit to be an LEO. Glaring evidence of that is his actions he is now taking, murdering innocent people completely unrelated to his case.

The guy was a problem from day one. He possessed attitudes, tactics (lack thereof), a chip on his shoulder, a complete lack of self control, and a professional victim mentality. If anyone can't see that as the case with his recent actions, then there will be no way to convince you otherwise.

LAPD saw him as a problem. A liability to everyone around him. And they dealt with it.

Now, is there something to his complaint that this FTO kicked a suspect? I believe there could be. But, at the time, it also appears LAPD went on the best information they had. Witnesses (impartial witnesses...bystanders) said no such thing happened. It came down to the word of someone who had a chip on his shoulder and made numerous dumb azzed complaints against many of his fellow officers, and a proven officer and other witnesses.

I wouldn't dispute that LAPD saw this as an opportunity to get rid of an undesireable officer with very questionable mental stability, firearm handling awareness and skills, tactics, and motivations. It was only a matter of time before this nutcase hurt himself (again) or others.

Again, is there something to his complaint against his former FTO? I think there could possibly be. Maybe if he hadn't of been such a whiny little b!tch and made bogus complaints so many times in the past, he would have been given more credibility in this instance...who knows.

As far as I'm concerned, his completely psychotic and completely outrageous actions NOW show that the LAPD had him pegged as a real problem THEN, and took action to remedy it when they had the chance. It was a convenient excuse to rid the department of someone clearly not cut out for the job.

"Honest Guy" even if he was that, does not equate to "sane guy" cut out for the job.



This guy went as far as to force the LAPD to do forensics on his duty bag when it got wet because he was convinced that his co-workers had urinated on it. It was not urine. Don't forget, this guy was never a cop. He was in training for a short time, had a deployment in the Navy, then returned to training, where he got terminated.


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Again, is there something to his complaint against his former FTO? I think there could possibly be. Maybe if he hadn't of been such a whiny little b!tch and made bogus complaints so many times in the past, he would have been given more credibility in this instance...who knows.


The story of the boy that cried wolf comes to mind. Anywhere in the LE community when credibility among your peers is lost it is almost impossible to recover.

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Anybody that questions whether this guy is psychotic, or not, is absolutely stupid.


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Originally Posted by curdog4570
Speaking of dogs.......... why don't you guys close to her talk Sheila Jackson Lee into going out to Big Bear?

Put her in a camo jacket and cap. Have her drive out in a pickup.

Make, model, and color don't matter.

grin


We'd all like to see that, but luckily, I'm located about 100 miles away from the 5th Ward.


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