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Started thinking about what I play with.
.358 WSSM
.243 AI
And have a 6/223 contender barrel headed my way as I type.
I want a .223 AI.....course I'm going to smoke my regular .223 barrel first before I do that.
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7x57AI or a 6.5-06 sound like simple enough wildcats to start out on.
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7x57AI or a 6.5-06 sound like simple enough wildcats to start out on. Yep both are no brainers for forming..
You better be afraid of a ghost!!
"Woody you were baptized in prop wash"..crossfireoops
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Here's a simple one...lol Left to right .357 max - .357 mag - 38 spec - 38-.357 something or other??? ![[Linked Image]](http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q247/masterhunter1/C8D648BF-45A1-4BE2-84F2-8D8F5A94836C-1918-0000029AD236D17C_zps749d4762.jpg)
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Anybody every play with a 8mm ultra mag?
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I fail to see the point, the .338 has a much better selection of bullets. I'd be more likely to go .338 Edge.
This is a shooting forum, there is no place here for logic.
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From my wildcatting experience I have retired. One thing I did learn is the benefits of less case taper & sharp shoulder angle.
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Robert E. Lee
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400 Whelen is my favorite. The most efficient and effective use of the 30-06 case for a wildcat.
Mart
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I've thought quite a bit about wildcats.
The one thing that always gives me pause is that almost all of the (at least at one time) standardized cartridges I day-dream about may as well be a wildcat. Heck, most of them might be worse because of their proprietary dimensions.
I'm becoming more tolerant of intolerant people.
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gijoetx Alittle reading for you. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...h/true/Things_I_have_learned#Post3576960 People that know me here know I screw around with alot of different kinds of stuff. Almost 20 years ago now I built a 25 Booboo.Based on the 8x68 RWS case.It would push a 100 pill at 4000 FPS. 270 STWs and Booboos and the like,have three things in common. There expensive. They have a very short barrel life. And there alot of fun if you can get them to work reliably. But for a tweener. Something that will do it all. Something that not everyone has.At least not yet. Get yourself a 6.5x47 Lapua. A short thing I did awhile ago about it. The 6.5mm 123 AMAX will turn woodchucks inside out.
This I know.
Have shot he 123 MKs at 1000 yards and would expect the 123 AMAX to be its equal.
I perfer a tad more bullet for the long stuff but the 123 MK wasnt bad at all.
The 6.5x47 is the new pickup truck in the cartridge world.
You wanna shoot 1000 yard BR ok
You wanna shoot vermin yep. It dont matter how far....
You wanna shoot Bambi on th south 40.No problem.
Just pick the appropriate bullet for the job at hand.
It will feed out of just about any kind of magazine as slick as snot with out reinventing the wheel.
On firing the the case will actually get a bit shorter in length.And then pretty much stay put....very little trimming is needed.....I reloaded some of my 17 pounder stuff 10 times and never needed to trim it ..not once.
The shoulder angle is 30 degree.
Thats what cases should be.
As long as you dont over work it or over pressure it.
It will last a very long tome.
It has the right neck length for the bullets.
Not some super short thing like a 243 WCF that eats barrels.
I consider it to be the PPC of mid to long range shooting.
Beat it, if you can.
dave
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Wildcats are the Modeling Clay of the rifle world...you really can't make anything you can't already buy over the counter...but you have more fun in the process.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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gijoetx Alittle reading for you. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...h/true/Things_I_have_learned#Post3576960 People that know me here know I screw around with alot of different kinds of stuff. Almost 20 years ago now I built a 25 Booboo.Based on the 8x68 RWS case.It would push a 100 pill at 4000 FPS. 270 STWs and Booboos and the like,have three things in common. There expensive. They have a very short barrel life. And there alot of fun if you can get them to work reliably. But for a tweener. Something that will do it all. Something that not everyone has.At least not yet. Get yourself a 6.5x47 Lapua. A short thing I did awhile ago about it. The 6.5mm 123 AMAX will turn woodchucks inside out.
This I know.
Have shot he 123 MKs at 1000 yards and would expect the 123 AMAX to be its equal.
I perfer a tad more bullet for the long stuff but the 123 MK wasnt bad at all.
The 6.5x47 is the new pickup truck in the cartridge world.
You wanna shoot 1000 yard BR ok
You wanna shoot vermin yep. It dont matter how far....
You wanna shoot Bambi on th south 40.No problem.
Just pick the appropriate bullet for the job at hand.
It will feed out of just about any kind of magazine as slick as snot with out reinventing the wheel.
On firing the the case will actually get a bit shorter in length.And then pretty much stay put....very little trimming is needed.....I reloaded some of my 17 pounder stuff 10 times and never needed to trim it ..not once.
The shoulder angle is 30 degree.
Thats what cases should be.
As long as you dont over work it or over pressure it.
It will last a very long tome.
It has the right neck length for the bullets.
Not some super short thing like a 243 WCF that eats barrels.
I consider it to be the PPC of mid to long range shooting.
Beat it, if you can.
dave
dave Do you wonder why I have 2 of them? I built my Grandson a 6X47Lapua. Great cartridges!
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You've gotta have some idea about what you want to do with it. The Ackley cartridges are easy and a good step up in performance, but they're not really wildcats. You have small stuff up there in SD to shoot. As a truck gun the most used wildcat I own is a 17Ackley Hornet. One of them goes on every jaunt.
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I am thinking about getting into the wildcat world, so I just wanted to know what your preferred wildcat cartridge is and why you like it. For a beginner into the wildcatting world ... try the 6mmx45. You can use once fired brass necked up, with 70gr pills its a great little varminter and economical, with 100gr it makes a decent and mild medium sized game cartridge. Dies are available. That's my pick of the easy to play with littlies, second is the 22/204 which is almost as easy to get along with and I now suspect a 6mm/204 would have been even better. At the large end I built a 458B&M about 2 years ago and only started playing with it recently. I'm sorry it took me so long to get to it as its a brilliant cartridge and I look forward to hunting with it this year loaded with 400gr Woodleighs at 2300fps. Be careful with wildcatting, it's addictive. Took delivery of a 17PeeWee on a CZ527 last week, and have a Rem700 action going out tomorrow to become a 358RUM. Cheers... Con
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Yes Con, I can definetly see how this can become I slippery slope :-) . Where is a good spot to find ballistic information on some of the wildcat cartridges?
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Yes Con, I can definetly see how this can become I slippery slope :-) . Where is a good spot to find ballistic information on some of the wildcat cartridges? Honestly, better than all the books, better than all the articles, better than all the conjecture ... buy a copy of QuickLoad. It's database is immense plus you can create your own, and its predictions are sobering enough to damper many a wildcatters desires.  Wildcats for me are now more about 'packages' ... the 458B&M is a short action magnum matching 458WinMag velocities, the 458AccRel is a standard length cartridge matching 458Lott velocities ... the 6x45 is a light walking varminter 'with a difference'. The 358RUM ... nothing it cant do that a 338Edge cant do as well if not better ... but I'm entirely irrational when it comes to 35s.  Was going to build a 6.5/250 as a cheaper 6.5Creedmore/6.5x47 but honestly ... I reckon I only have a few more wildcats in me to play with. Results are rarely better than what can be achieved with a factory cartridge, but the educational process is priceless, entertaining and well worthwhile. Mind you ... I have a 22/06 with 1:8" in the planning stages.  If you do want to get into wildcatting, consider a Savage action as you can swap barrels yourself, and it makes it a tad cheaper. Wildcats based on standard chamberings are also a tad cheaper ... my 22/204, 358RUM, 303/35 all use Lee dies opened up by the gunsmith. Cheap as chips compared to custom dies. Cheers... Con
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... but I'm entirely irrational when it comes to 35s. Could be the single greatest quote ever uttered on the 'Fire  . I'm the same way with the 9.3's, although I love the 35's, as well. Ever seriously looked at the 35 Newton? That one calls to me.
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pinotguy,
Two 35s really appeal to me (actually more but I'm trying to appear sensible) ... Dave Manson awhile ago sent me his reamer drawings for the 350G&H Magnum (x4 versions on file) ... the straight 35cal neck down of the 375H&H version would feed like butter I reckon and be simply sensationally good fun!! I've also located a reamer here in Australia for the old world 400/350NE which I'd dearly adore in a Ruger No1.
Cheers...
Con
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CATBIRD 6MM-270WINCHESTER is my HUCKELBERRY 105gr AMAX,OR MY 25-06AI OR 280AI.
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CATBIRD 6MM-270WINCHESTER is my HUCKELBERRY 105gr AMAX,OR MY 25-06AI OR 280AI. I like the way you think!
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