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Do'nt be afraid of the 30-30 but it seams most all shy from it??
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Do'nt be afraid of the 30-30 but it seams most all shy from it??
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They are .308 diameter as is the .303 Savage. I think people are confusing 303 Savage with 303 British, the latter does use 310/311 bullets.
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I loaded up some subsonic Hdy 220gr RN at 1050 fps in a 1/12 barrel. They were wobbling into the target at 100 yards, about 2 moa accuracy for 10 shots.
I would think the 190 would be very stable in a 1/10, and even a 1/12 should do fine, especially at potential 30-30 velocities. I loaded up some 220 grain RN in the 30/30, using W 748 with a stiff load ( chrono'ed at 2100 fps out of a 20 inch barrel ), and they were not wobbling at all.. one in 12 twist on that rifle... just experimenting on that one, so I won't share the load data, but I did reload 10 cases 10 times and the primer pocket was tight the 11th time around... Loaded some for a friend who use to be the local range master, at our local range... he was big into NEF rifles and had one in 30/30, that had been throated out some... a local smith throated it out to take 220 grain RN seated to the cannelure... he wanted it as a truck gun to carry in his little Suzuki Samari.. so used those W 748 loads, that were running at 2100 fps out of his rifle also... he took 3 or 4 bears with the 100 rounds I loaded up for him...
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Is the .30-30 twisted fast enough to stabilize the 190's? Marlins have a 1-10 twist, and Winchesters have a 1-12 twist. Either will stabilize the 190 just fine.
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I load 190's in both .30/30 and .303 Savage- it's my go to hunting bullet. But, they are cast bullets. I load them with 28 grains of 3031 and enjoy no pressure signs and long case life. You're on your own there due to the differences between soft lead bullets vs. hard jacketed ones. Start low and work up looking for pressure signs along the way.
If stuck with just 170gr. jacketed bullets I wouldn't fret, either. The 190's give a little more 'thump', but in the real world there's really not much difference. I shoot 190's because I can, and I want to, and I like the thought of duplicating the extinct factory .303 Savage loads.
You hit the nail right on the head my friend. About a millennia ago I loaded some 190�s and I recall the load being 28 grains of IMR3031 which seemed just fine FOR MY GUN. But I realized exactly what you did�they don�t do anything a 170 wouldn�t do. And to be quite honest, I�ve never taken anything with a .30-30 that a 150 wouldn�t have taken just as well. The cartridge kills very well if you place your shots well. And if you place your shots well, then anything from 150-190 will kill anything you�d attempt with a .30-30.
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They are .308 diameter as is the .303 Savage. I think people are confusing 303 Savage with 303 British, the latter does use 310/311 bullets. Naw, Calhoun has it right. Early .303 Savage bullets from different manufacturers varied between .308 to .311-ish, eventually most being standardized at .308.
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But even bullets as recent as Kleen-bore primed, red and green box Remington 180 Core-lokts, and red and yellow box Super-Speed Winchester 190s were .308. (I should know; I've pulled hundreds of them from old 303 Savage ammo.)
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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