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No. He was given instructions multiple times to put his hands behind his back. The officers used force, backed off, gave commands and re-engaged. The suspect could have complied multiple times, he chose not to.

I am sure someone will make the argument that he was not attacking the officers so force was not justified. By that theory anyone could avoid going to jail just by arguing.

The reality is force never looks good, but in this case it was the bad guy who determined the level and duration of force.

I think those cops better start carrying ball bats. And they were just attempting to set his broken leg.

"We counted at least 200 blows, 200 individual blows," says Tatum's attorney, Robin Flores. "They were dragging him by his broken leg."

Looks good.

The force was appeared excessive because the individual refused to comply. Nothing here is outside reason. Once force is used it must be continued until the subject complies.

Since the officers had no cause to escalate the the next step of their use of force continuum (I.E. shoot the dumb [bleep]) they have no choice but to escalate the intensity of the level they are at.

The individual will take the cuffs, failure to comply IS NOT AN OPTION!

I have not watched the video, but from my years in Corrections I know that hundreds of blows are usually a sign the officers lack the skills to subdue suspects.

And you know perfectly well that when that started going bad there would be far more than just two officers piled on him. In my place there would be at least 5 in two minutes or less. When an individual goes to that level (usually under drugs or a mental health condition) they can be extremely strong.

Yes.. it was such a standard use of force that both officers were fired.

Its sad two cops can't subdue him. I watched most of the video. From what I saw he disobeyed a lawful order, resisted arrest, and actually made an attempt to kick the officer (battery) 2 possibly 3 times? The use of force appeared to be necessary and lawful up until he was against the wall then it appeared to be unlawful use of force. If the suspect was actively trying to grab or pull the Officer then game on but while he was sitting and verbal not complying I personally would not advise striking him with the baton?

Everyone to their own opinion...

I think he got what he deserved!

Just my .02

Any highschool wrestler could of controlled this guy and cuffed him inside of 30 seconds.

These cops are clearly incompetent and should be removed from the force, and their supervisors should be prosecuted. Neither officer has even rudimentary hand skills, and holding a guys hands in front of him while you beat his is not a good way to get him to but his hands behind his back. Any cop who can't roll onto his stomach a guy who weighs 100 pounds less then him, with a broken leg, is in the wrong profession.

Yes he got what he deserved! Do I feel bad for him, No not really? The question was, is it excessive force? In my opinion yes it was! It appeared the one police officer was getting frustrated and it is psychologically defeating when you are not getting compliance but the areas the officer struck, the amount, and how it was done was incorrectly administered. Just my opinion.

how much pay would you require to get him cuffed without batting him? Would you just stay with him a few days until he went to sleep and then cuff him? You want to wrestle with him a while to get him cuffed and have the crap bitten out of you?

No excessive force was used. Prick didn't comply.

Me too, appears the idiot had trouble hearing, [bleep] him.

Gunner

No love loss for the suspect. He was putting up a fight.

I've got one word for those officers. If they learn it, they can spare themselves and their suspects a whole lot of pain...


LEVERAGE!

These cops are typical morons, just looking for an opportunity to beat someone up. Three huge cops couldn't get handcuffs on one small guy without beating the crap out of him - especially when the guy was up against the wall. It is very clear these cops really wanted to beat this guy up more than subdue him. So, if a female refuses to comply you beat her the same way just because she refuses or do you take charge and subdue her? This guy was on the floor and the cops were in little danger. I think those that think this beating was justified would be singing a different story is the guy being beat up was their son or daughter.

Also, there were apparently about 7 other cops in the vincinty and that many more showed up. Rather than beat the crap out of the guy, why not just use more folks to get handcuffs on him. Glad these guys lost their jobs, they don't deserve to serve the public.

If it had been me, I would have laid that baton across the bridge of his nose about eye level and he could have spent the night drinking blood.

Like I say, feel free to let him chew on your arm.

What I don't understand is why the whole time I worked in the acute unit of a psychiatric hospital as a psychiatric attendant (fancy term for the ward muscle) we never once came in need of blunt instruments for beating unruly and uncooperative nutcases (some of whom were very powerfully built, one in particular I remember looked like your typical MMA fighter), nor for Tasers. We knew how to take them down and restrain them, and how to escort them to their rooms, or put them into their straps, when need be. Simple Jiu-Jitsu type methods were used. No strikes or chokes of any kind were allowed. How is it possible that a roid head like that huge cop, with the help of one partner, could not have had that guy tied in whatever sort of knot he wanted him in, and in the cuffs, in a matter of a few seconds? If I could do it, why can't they?

Man, that guy must have been on something to take that kind of abuse w/o complying. He is one slow thinking dude. The cops are incompetent. Any woman trained to an average level could have controlled that guy. They should have been fired, he was no danger to them, he was out of it, seemed drunk, drugged or lethargic.