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Ah, yes, the usual suspects have spoken.
Odviously we have some self styled experts here who have never made any arrests on drugged up, resisting suspects. Even some who claim that such levels of force are never necessary. That's because he's worked in a psych ward and has subdued many a noncompliant subjects, etc. That's really funny. Psych ward patients are usually drugged with stuff that makes them easy to handle, not the other way around. And they are not armed, etc.
Then we have the wrestling experts. More nonsense.
The truth is that every situation is different. Anybody that has made alot of violent arrests knows that. Some people are able to endure alot of pain and force. No two arrestees are the same. The cops involved also often have different concerns or present abilities which can vary from day to day.
This is why the legal defination of use of force says only that the police may use whatever is necessary to overcome the subject's resistance. Until he is subdued, the level of force is not excessive. Put another way, if the cop uses tactics that don't work, as it appears in this case, it is still not sufficient. That much is odvious.
You want to critize these guys fine. Punish them for not doing what you think you should have seen or not seen w/o proof that the subject had stopped resisting, and you open the door to not allowing the cops to use force to overcome resistance. When that happens, nobody who does any crime will not get arrested if they resist. That's because nobody in law enforcement will risk loosing his job because somebody didn't like what he did or how he did it.
I can name two cities in Kalifornia that are paying that price now for their attitudes towards such things. I can name a couple of cops that went to prison over nonsense like this.
When I was growing up, nobody was interested in carrying concealed. Now there is alot of interest, and 41 states that allow concealed carry. Why ? Because the cops aren't doing their jobs. All because of nit picking and political correctness as typical in this discussion. If you insist on holding them to a standard to which none can comply, you don't get the job done.
That, BTW, doesn't help much. Ask a a guy named Zimmerman what happend when he tried fill in for the cops. Cops who didn't come when he reported suspicious activity. E

I'd like to beat you in the shins with a bat while telling you to put your hands behind your back and see how long it takes you to comply. On the other hand maybe you have no innate human behavior, and comply with any govt. order.

So they got fired for doing the job.

So.

Unless ...he got them first.

This one really did make me laugh.
What a moron. Armchair quarterbacks know it all, just ask them.