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Yes. It stopped it. Soldiers stood up and said that this was an unlawful order and pushed the fact. It wasn't a mass operation, TRH.

I don't think it would be that black and white. Would probably start with a lot of different groups. The populace would have to pick sides. Everything would be confusing in my opinion.

But it happened. I saw the news footage.

I would shoot any American traitor that ordered me to shoot citizens. However, I am not in that position any longer but would still be happy to shoot a traitor.

Think about your statement a bit, bud.

The news just told me that Adam Lanza had a shotgun stuffed in his glove compartment that held 35 rounds...

EXACTLY!

And the vast majority of our military share that same sentiment.

So you're saying that the deployed National Guardsmen interviewed by the news team were actors?

Gentlemen;
Flapping your jaws in this topic is a great way to paint a cross hair on your forehead. On this sort of topic keep in mind the ancient Scottish wisdom "Never pass up a chance to shut up!'

Jim

LOL, they tell me there not gonna come after us and I tell them I believe them, so who's the wiser?

Gunner

Wish I had volume, I'd like to hear that video.

Gunner

Bingo!!!!

There will never be a direct assault on citizens in general as such where they aren't painted as extremists.Remember Waco,were not the Dividians American citizens.The objective will be to wage against one of the survivalists groups or similar where the outcome will be so frightening as to change public opinion and change the constitution.

Just imagine the outcome if the Dividians had set off a small WMD.The outcry would be enough to send military into any target deemed necessary.Then proving the threat of these gun holding groups,severe background checks and limitations would be placed on all gun owners thus eliminating any threat to government power.Don't think our government won't sacrifice some of it's own to achieve goals.

Wonder if anyone here remembers Mai Lai? That was illegal too..

Historically US troops have fired on US civilians, there are many examples of this.

Federal troops have been used to break up strikers. US Army troops opened fire on rioters in NY during the draft riots of the Civil War.

Douglas MacArthur ordered infantry and cavalry to break up the Veterans March on Washington in 1932 - troops rousted WWI veterans and burned their camps, this is a case of troops firing on former troops.

National Guard troops have fired on looters in riots.

The War Between the States is an extreme example but technically that counts as troops firing on Americans. In this case Southern troops fired on Northern troops first, troops they considered "invaders" - but still it was Americans shooting at Americans.

I don't think US soldiers would start shooting indiscriminately at people (although Kent State could count as an instance of that) and I would guess that there were always some who balked at the idea, but history has shown that US soldiers will readily open fire on American citizens if given cause such as being told that the people they are shooting are criminals or traitors of some sort.

Not according to HAJ... Can't happen..


'Course, most of us know better..


As to 'crosshairs' on our foreheads? Heck, I've had one of those for years and wear it with pride..



Good post Jim.. Thanks..

Guys, calm down, the alphabet agencies are not going to wage war on the majority of the American people until AFTER they disarm us.

Lee, stop being so disingenuous...

Every instance that Jim discussed was under conditions that I already established as within the realm of a lawful order. Local riots and Looting is well within the confines of using the military. That's Constitutional. Furthermore, each of the situations mentioned were prior to the military really being training in, or having the technology for, nonlethal crowd control.

The lone exception is the Kent State incident and look at the public, political, and military fall out that happened as a result.

What Alex Jones and his ilk are suggesting is a prolonged full scale war on American Citizens by the Military and the Agencies. I don't know how many times I have to say it for it to sink in, but THAT won't ever happen. With the exception of secession.

Even with secession, my point is made clear. How many members of the military defected and used their equipment and training to support the cause?

Could another Civil War happen in America? Yes, without question, but I assure you, the military will handle the military. Soldiers will using their training and equipment to fight soldiers who seek to subjugate American's.

The military isn't brain dead zombies waiting to follow any order given. There is example after example of the military refusing to follow unlawful orders in Iraq, Afghanistan and here at home.

I haven't argued most of the points that you have brought up. I have argued Alex Jone's points. Why you want to make this personal with insults and underhanded comments is beyond me, and frankly beneath you.

finally, some calm, rational thinking. When we no longer have guns, we won't be able to fight back, saving countless lives. Right?

Don't be ridiculous.

I would expect UN troops shooting at me long before American troops.