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First, let me say I do not question your faith. Such statements (not yours) sadden me (among other emotions).

Next, I am not, nor have, sought to put you into a box, one size fits all, or otherwise.

What I have tried to do is put the cunjunctive (you like that word? I just made it up, but I bet you know what I mean) fragments of your arguments into a logical arangement. In short, I've been attempting to understand your point and the why of your various statements. So far, I haven't been able to as many of your arguments SEEM (to me) to be at odds with themselves.

Quite frankly, we seem to see some of the same things in scripture, yet assign different meanings to them. That is always puzzeling to me. I have always felt that people open to the Spirit of God will interpret the truths of God the same at some point. Perhaps I am too much of a romantic.

Ringman,



By using standard, conservative, Evangelical methods of Biblical interpreatation like any believer should be doing.



No, the Bible says we are not to judge each other's salvation, but we are to jude each other's behavior. It is up to God to determine whether you are saved, but as a beleiver am allowed to point out your un-Biblical behavior.



Really? Here are some examples of what you have said to me just from this thread. I'll start with the very first thing you said to me here:

"I didn't read past the above line. This type of drivel is why the church is in the degenerate state it is. Folks beleive some garbage instead of the simple and clear teaching of God's Word."

You say I am speaking drivel and I believe garbage. You blame me for the degenerate state the church is in. How is that not abusive speech and slander?

"It certainly appears to me you believe in being tossed here and there by every wind of doctrine"

What is that other than a purposely intended insult? Are not sacrastic insults abusive speech?

"You are certainly full of yourself. I read almost all your last post."

More sarcastic insults.

"If you had no dog in this fight, you would accept God's Word as The Final Authority and Answer."

Here you are accusing me of not accepting the Bible. For professing born-again Christians, that accusation is salnder.

"This time I read about 1/3 of your post"

"This is as smooth a lie as when Satan said to Eve, "Surely has God said...?" Again I see you as "Proffesing to be wise they become fools." "

Here you call me a liar. That is slander.

"Satan quotes Scripture but that doesn't save him."

Here you comare me to Satan and strongly imply I am not saved. That is abusive speech and slanderous.

"Jesus says, "And many will say in that day I did all these wonderful things in Your name." And Jesus will say, "Depart from me, I never knew you."
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Here you solidify your position that I am not saved. That is more slander and abusive speech.

"You were rebuked by the Truth of God�s Word and don�t like it. "

I was slandered by a man because I do not accept him as THE authority on scripture.

Sanlen.

I do not question your faith either.

We may never resolve the different meanings we seem to assign to scripture until we are with Him. Then we'll agree...............

IHS,

I am not blowing you off, but I am out of time. Need to practice the trumpet.

I'll only adress one of your statements:



I have no problem with your view that creation was six literal days. I do disagree with that being the only way to consistently understand the Bible. I have repeatedly explained why I hold that view so will not repeate it again. We'll just have to agree to disagree..........

I knew you must be blowing your own horn somehow....


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You know, I focus pretty hard on de-emphasizing the emotional. I work hard to control my own emotions, because very little good has ever come out of my uncontrolled emotions.

However, when I play I unleash my emotions. The only control I exert is directing them in the way I want them to go as I seek to tell a story with my horn.

When I play in Church, I have to take it to the next level and that is making sure I am spiritually in tune with God and conveying what He would have me convey.

So I guess I play using my mind as I sort out the technical aspects, play using my emotions as I try to be musical and tell the story, and play using my spirit as I "tune" myself with how God is leading.

No, I don't always (usually?) get all those right............. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

165 posts and we have gone from a man named Hovind to a man with a horn to blow. Phewwww!

Toot! Toot!

Just think -- one day we will hear the voice of the archangel and the TRUMP of God. Bet Mike and Gabe will be some duet a-shoutin' and a-tootin'. I can hardly wait.

Y'all in?

So, do you think Gabriel is keeping that trumpet close these days in case he needs it quick?

"Michael, clear your throat! Gabriel, lick your lips!" Even so, come, Lord Jesus! Amen! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

It isn't going to be too soon, for me, anyway.

"It isn't going to be too soon, for me, anyway."
amen.
no headache - or stomach ache - there.

Sanlen--

I'm glad you quoted the article referencing NASA and their endeavors, and then being so dismissive and implying that NASA has a bunch of fools and dunderheads (who are no doubt going to hell, right?) working for them. It is this behavior that bothers me when I see it. You are a smart person, I can see that. Likewise the people at NASA are very smart. Possibly some of the brightest, highest achieving people in their fields anywhere in the world. So to instantly hold up a Bible and laugh at them is, IMO, counterproductive to you. Let's suppose for just one second that there is way, way, more mystery and glory and power and brilliance contained in Genesis Chapter 1 than you and I will ever know in this life. And let's just say that these NASA types are working with all their heart and soul with their God given talents and purposes to uncover just SOME of the wonders of this Creation. I don't think that's a bad thing. In fact I believe that God has placed people on this Earth and given them abilities that others don't have for the sole purpose of investigating the world/universe (read:Creation) that we live in, and further to communicate this to other people. See Newton, Galileo, Einstein, Hakwing et al for examples of this. I guarantee you that inside the ranks of NASA there are Bible believing, church attending, Christians (who are saved every bit as much as you and Ringman), and who are going about their lifes work, not hoping to "debunk" the Bible, but to simply understand more about their surroundings. What they find is not anti-Scriptural. Just the opposite--see Romans 1:20 for that. Now true, some of them, maybe alot of them don't apply it that way, but that is the way I see it.
If the discoveries that these folks make and share with us are true, and you are saying "no, no, no you sillies, you're wrong", I think you are making a mistake, and further, you are turning your back on the revealing of some of the glories of Creation. God has given us a wonderful world and said (paraphrase) live in it, enjoy it, discover it, learn about it. It is after all a masterpiece.
I don't think that Kent Hovind and his ilk are doing much good for the Kingdom of God or Christianity in general. If their ministry was focused more on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, instead of the life and teachings of dinosaurs, they would be much more effective.

jzhull,

If you read the statement from HASA that read, you might not be so quick to defend the organization. They say thier objective is to learn about the evolution of the universe. There is nothing in thier literature about glorifying the God Who created the universe.

Remember: Science is observable, testable, repeatable and verifiable. God could and did create a mature universe just as much as He created mature animals and people and commanded them to be fruitlful and mulitply. They looked like they had years of growing up and yet were brand new. There is absolutely no conflict between science and the Bible. There is only conflict between the philosophical seculations called science and the Bible.

There is that dang E word again. That thing just throws us off track every time doesn't it Ringman.

And the beat goes on --
And the beat goes on --
Drums keep pounding rhythms through my brain --
Ladeedaw dee dee, ladeedaw dee doe
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Who was Kent Hovind again???????? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

O-o-o-o! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Well, I wish not...but one cannot force others to continue a topic they wish to drop.

Mr. Blaine, I wish you the Lord's blessings. May HE Who is the Author and Finisher of our faith be glorified, in your life and mine; and may He lead you into all truth.

May the Lord bless you all.

"Do not answer fools according to their folly, or you will be a fool yourself." Prv. 26:4

Good post,

But are you sure you were reading my meaning and not someone else's?

(Personally, I like the post from shootist. Leave it to a liberal Canadian to quote some leftist singer like Cher) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Now see, there are two ways to take that post. Shootist knows I don't think there's a liberal bone in his body. Maybe a liberal layer of calouses on his hands from so much shooting, but that's about it.

The same thing with my post on NASA. I know NASA (or HASA as Ringman put it) has some real smart people. But I also know that NASA has been caught with its hands in the cookie jar lately. They have been caught (okay, I won't say fabricating) exagerating some "facts" about global warming in order to make themselves more relavent and important and thereby get more money from the public caufers. Now, I'm not making this up. So, when faced with this, I naturally become a little suspicous of their words and behavior.

If you look real close, what I make fun opf is their conclusions and their obvious disdain for things of the Christian faith. Their own inconsistancy and silliness, if you will.

They talk about Dark Matter and Dark Energy as if it was the next better mouse trap, and then immediately say that no body even knows what it is (and I insert, if it is). These are the things I redicule, and they should be rediculed for it. They take our tax dollars for scientific research and exploration, and give us nothing but conjecture and anything they think will increase their budget next year. That I find offensive.

I like NASA. Always have. I've been to the Cape several times, and taken my family a couple of times. There are many things I would like NASA to do and would agree with sending part of my tax dollars there to do, but this ain't it.

I knew a lady named Renick worked with the shuttle program and who's husband Bill and I used to work together in California. Fine people. You're right as well that there are God believing Christians at NASA. Just my opinion, but I think they would agree with me.

I think I know what you are speaking about with NASA and the Dark Matter/Energy bit. And I also agree that they have boosted alot of your and my tax dollars into orbit with sometimes questionable results. Didn't mean to jump on you too hard with that last post.