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They can arrest them.


Travis

That's not gonna solve it either.


Travis

That's against the law in California?

You solve problems one at a time.

They could be, but you have to find them and put the cuffs on them. This is where the lack of resources, and properly deployed resources comes into play.
Then the prosecutor has to play along (The U.S. Attorney in this case) and the U.S. District Courts have to play along. Both of these entities have their own agendas and their own set of rules of engagement.
The US Attorney's Office is, as you know highly political, and the US District Courts are filled with judges who are appointed for life.

Most of the spotters are illegals as well, so they have already committed one crime.
The problem lies in DC, plain and simple. It's not that they can't be stopped, it's that they WON'T be stopped, and it is not the agents on the ground who are making that decision.

Ed

Ok.


Travis

It is in Alaska.

Ed

And even if they did arrest them, they'd be replaced and on a different highpoint within four hours. And even if you burned that entire crew and route, they'd just move over to another route.

People don't seem to understand that all the arresting, and prosecuting of criminal organizations are not going to stop the flow of contraband and people. It is big money. Lop off the head, grows right back.

The Berlin wall was what? 65 miles or some schit? Mines, vehicle barriers, floodlights, machine guns, watchtowers... All that schit that Joe Iowa says he wants to see along the southern border. And people STILL made it to the other side. So if you ever wanna take a stroll along the border from the Pacific to Brownsville, TX please do come back and explain to me how you are going to go about "securing" or "sealing" the border.

It ain't gonna happen. You need to make the schit hole, not a schit hole, or eliminate the possibility for jobs.


Travis

No body seems to want to address this.......... so I will.

The BP agents I know ALL agree on one thing; dealing with border's security properly requires that you separate the elements into TWO parts.

The "true wets", those who come to work here, can be dealt with by administrative actions of one sort or another. The Bracero program of the 'fifties worked well, for instance.

The smugglers, whether dope or some other commodity must be dealt with using "overwhelming force". And therein lies the problem.

"The border is like a tube of toothpaste". That's the common analogy, and as far as I can tell it's an accurate one.

The fact that the "Cartels" still use mules to walk the dope into the interior of the U.S. seems to indicate that we have been somewhat successful in policing the POE's.

If we were to build and man a fence along all our land border with Mexico, we would squeeze all the traffic to the Rio Grande. Because the "border" is the middle of the river, we would have to cede our riverbank to the Mexicans.

If we did that from Del Rio, Tx. to the Gulf of Mexico at a tremendous expense to us, but not an impossible task, we would squeeze them into the Trans-Pecos. THAT's where we would need the "overwhelming force".

Remember the Vietnam statement regarding the villages?

"We had to destroy it to save it".

Same thing.

Going to have to get some politicians in that will not ONLY prosecute the employers, but will also quit trying to sign up illegals for free food stamps and health care before they even cross the border.

Even if we build it, Gene, we still have to man it and keep the criminals from crossing over or under it.

Again, it comes back to what I said earlier. Resources. The idiots, and I'm being generous there, in DC will not allocate the resources.

There are a lot of miles that we could fence that we have not, and a lot of miles of fence that are under-patrolled.

Ed

Crap sakes, there's DOORS cut into the fence with locks on the Mexican side.

....as well, panels that slide vertically, and can be jacked up with a high lift jack.

Areas where these features are found are typically called out as "Too dangerous" to patrol.

Some friends, just back from Organ Pipe Natl. Monument, were told repeatedly, by any number of various Fed "Agents" there that the areas they were riding in were 'too dangerous' for them to be out there, "too much Crime",....etc.

[bleep]' pathetic, the shape things are in, and agreed we'd BETTER do something, and bloody quick.

GTC

Greg is absolutely correct. The technology is no good without boots on the ground. There is a ranch that has 40 million in dhs infrastructure applied there. Steel wall, cameras, sensors,roads etc. In the last year 29 vehicles made it through either the 10 0r 13 foot wall to the hiway three miles away UNDECTED. 40 million spent on 10.5 miles of border fence and they can't catch even one of 29 vehicles most of whom dropped their load at the hiway and drove back to mexico.
I challenged the head of the Joint Field Command [DHS] to a contest yesterday. I said that another rancher and i could sit in lawn chairs with our binoculars and catch more illegals than all his agents,cameras,sensors etc. He did not respond to the challenge at all.
Fred

The only practical way I see to deal with this is:

1. To put enough US troops (100K would be a good starting number) to give us a numerical chance at plugging the holes, routes, and crossings.

2. Go after ANY business that hires illegals. Shut them down, seize and auction all their assets and jail at a minimum of 10 years at hard labor the owners and other company officers responsible for hiring

3. Eliminate all anchor baby provisions and cut off all public assistance/social programs to illegals.

4. Inform Mexico that if they fail to secure things on their side it will be considered an act of war and will be dealt with accordingly.

5. Consider all the drug cartels as primary terrorist threats and go after them with the same force and ferocity as we do AQ and the Taliban. Also, inform any nation that harbors or supports the cartels that they will be considered state sponsors of terrorism and all diplomatic ties, trade, and aid from the US will immediately cut off.

Military action will be mounted against them if necessary.

Fred,

That's my point. Resources include the boots on the ground.

You wouldn't build a fence to keep your cattle in and then never ride it, why does DHS think they can do the same?

Thus my suggestion that we aggressively stop these bastards.

Reactive just doesn't cut it. It's the old adage "When seconds count, the police are just minutes away".

Realizing that they can't be everywhere at the same time, that's where additional sensors, cameras, and communications comes in.

Driving around in bright white trucks with broad, bright green stripes on them, never getting out until you think you see something, is not the way to catch people on foot.

Being stationed miles away from your area of responsibility is another failed technique.

That would be as effective as traffic cops waiting at the police station, hoping to catch red light violators across town.

I can think of a number of ways to improve both the capture ratio and the deterrent factor and it doesn't require a Congressional hearing or a visit from the bureaucrats in DC.

Ed

Those big white Whales,....the new jacked up Suburbans BP is using ?

They can't even turn the bloody headlights off. Bone stock "Safety" configuration, on all the time.

Really sneaky, and well thought out, what ?

GTC

I like the way you think

I would add that putting the troops on the ground should be done without ANY prior notice or fanfare. No press releases, nothing that would tip off the folks on the other side.

Once they are starting to deploy, give the Mexican government 24 hours to contain their side or face sanctions.

There would be a tremendous cry from the companies that have facilities in Mexico and those who benefit from trade across the border, but, sometimes you have to shut something down to fix it. It would take bigger cojones than anyone in DC possesses right now.

Ed

About as stealthy as a D9 Cat in a WalMart parking lot.

Ed

First item on the way to fixing the problem?
Elect people who want to fix it.

We have a winner! Second step would be to put the bureaucrats (non-elected types) in DC and the state capitals on notice that it is no longer business as usual. That includes grant administrators, rule makers, permit approval departments, and logistical support departments.

Let them know that they don't run this country, the citizens do.

Ed