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If you actually understand something, why don't you share it. Come out of the closet for once.
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Did the poll include the date of manufacture? If not, then you again have a totally meaningless sample. Why? Because you are not accounting for model type, or manufacturing runs. Kimber didn't build a single run of 743134 Kimber Classics ya know. So your sample of 284 could all be from one problematic model produced in a couple of months of high workforce turnover. You just don't know. Meaningless. [/quote
So you think the 284 where all from the same run in the same short period of time in production of a single run? You shot yourself in the foot this time no pun intended.
Do you know otherwise? Where's your data? Show me.
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I know that the probability of 284 units spread out across the country and ten year time span is not very likely they all came from a single batch.
Eat Fish, Wear Grundens, Drink Alaskan.
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http://www.atf.gov/files/statistics...firearms-manufacturing-export-report.pdfKimber has manufactured 743134 1911 pistols from 1998-2011 according to the ATF. So what does 125 failures in a sample of 284 forum respondents mean in the grand scheme of the cosmos? Right - nothing. But if you back up one level on the link I provided you'll get all the years and all the manufacturers. Sort of interesting. I sell parachutes for a living we sold 700,000 over the last 5 years and only 150 people are dead because our parachutes did not open. We have an outstanding safety record.
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...and "malfunctions" have more to do with break-in, or lack of lube, or magazines - none of which is really the pistol.
My Kimber alloy frame cracked after about 8500 rounds. Kimber is telling me that it isn't their fault and to be prepared to spend $500+ on a new frame. So, that should be fun... Caspian would get you there for 1/2 that. Even if you have to spend a bit more to have the frame finished off by a good smith, you'd be ahead IMO. New frame = new firearm I believe. May as well strip out what you have for parts (slide, sights, internals if you're happy with em) and do up something new. Caspian says their steel frames, all types, are guaranteed for life against cracking. Check out Alchemy Custom Weapons good reputation on 1911 forums and their Facebook page as a ton of pics to see the level of work.
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Besides Caspian, Fusion also makes a nice alloy frame.
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http://www.atf.gov/files/statistics...firearms-manufacturing-export-report.pdfKimber has manufactured 743134 1911 pistols from 1998-2011 according to the ATF. So what does 125 failures in a sample of 284 forum respondents mean in the grand scheme of the cosmos? Right - nothing. But if you back up one level on the link I provided you'll get all the years and all the manufacturers. Sort of interesting. I sell parachutes for a living we sold 700,000 over the last 5 years and only 150 people are dead because our parachutes did not open. We have an outstanding safety record. That makes sense to you?
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...and "malfunctions" have more to do with break-in, or lack of lube, or magazines - none of which is really the pistol.
My Kimber alloy frame cracked after about 8500 rounds. Kimber is telling me that it isn't their fault and to be prepared to spend $500+ on a new frame. So, that should be fun... So where is the crack? Not all frame cracks are fatal and some are very common.
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...and "malfunctions" have more to do with break-in, or lack of lube, or magazines - none of which is really the pistol.
My Kimber alloy frame cracked after about 8500 rounds. Kimber is telling me that it isn't their fault and to be prepared to spend $500+ on a new frame. So, that should be fun� I'd say it is their fault. A proper barrel to slide lock would not allow the pistol to batter itself to oblivion
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Dude, a little humility please, otherwise, GFY  MM
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In a sincere effort to attempt humility:
I actually...ummm....kinda...accidentally....bought a....ahem...Taurus...yesterday.
I probably should GFM.
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it makes sense to everyone but you.
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In a sincere effort to attempt humility:
I actually...ummm....kinda...accidentally....bought a....ahem...Taurus...yesterday.
I probably should GFM.
Travis Oooh myyy GOD
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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I've YET to meet someone with a Kimber that didn't have issues with jamming, feeding. They ALL needed some kind of break-in horseshit process. Just buy a Colt or a Glock and be done with it.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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In a sincere effort to attempt humility:
I actually...ummm....kinda...accidentally....bought a....ahem...Taurus...yesterday.
I probably should GFM.
Travis If you really bought a Tore-ass, (which I kinda doubt), you are just............ [bleep]. MM
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