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Ah hell yall done run him off this could have gotten good. I would have bet within three more pages Boxer would have been here to explain things to him.

20 shot groups STAGE 1!!!!

20 shot groups with a varmint rifle? Wow you know how to crash your own illusions. I prefer to shoot a few back to back 3 shot groups that are good and just imagine how great my gun shoots

Its the only REAL way to find accuracy (or how hard it is to sustain) in a fast twist barrel.....

Stage 1 dammit!

JMP - this fast twist .224 stuff isn't new anymore.

Back in the 1980's, the USMC had all of us Johnny Jarheads swap out our slow twist 5.56's for 1:7 twist (that's FAST) M16A2's and heavier bullets.

Results at 500 yards on target were impressive! We didn't shoot groups, but we sure did shoot for score, and scores went up across the board. Not one or two guys shooting groups, but thousands of Marines qualifying every year, prone, iron sights, and very fast twist 5.56 AR-15's. That was proof for me that the fast twist .22's were worthwhile.

By the early 1990's a buddy of mine had Dan Lilja make him a fast twist .22-250 barrel, and he did a bang up job here in the Pacific Northwest at a bunch of matches. Both prone NRA type matches and the budding tactical/practical matches held then. That thing out-shot my .308 rather handily.

Talking 20 - 25 years ago for most of my references.

Now Dad, in his mid 80's, still likes his slow twist .22-250 'cause it does everything he wants & needs from a varmint rifle: blows up sage rats.

Slow twist. Fast twist. Run what ya want.

Guy

I remember that too. I went from low Expert, to high Expert.

I might be mistaken, but I think the qual scores for Expert, Sharpshooter, and Marksman were revised, because scores were so much better across the board. (I know this was the case when we went from the 45 to the 9mm pistol, not 100% sure on the rifle)

Exactly Shane. I was usually shooting somewhere in the low expert range, making it by a few points.

The A2's showed up, then the heavy bullet ammo, and next thing I knew I was shooting 240's and up, rarely missing the bullseye.

I wasn't the only one, it was pretty much across the board. You may be right about the change in scores required, I don't recall for sure.

Guy

Yeah I was in the low 240s with the A2 also.

Funny thing was, I generally lost most of my points at the 200 slow fire. Offhand and kneeling. The 200 rapid, 300 and 500, were pretty much money in the bank.

200 standing was the toughest for me. Kneeling was tough when the wind was up.

Expert cutoff score is 220. Not sure about marksman and sharpshooter. I guess right before I enlisted, the scoring was hit or miss, 50 points? I'm sure some of you saltier dogs know more about that than I do.

Expert was 220 or higher in my days too (1979-2004).

The exception was at Edson Range on Camp Pendleton. Edson Range was (is?) the only meters range in the Marine Corps, so they would add 4 points to your pit score, to compensate for the longer distances, for your official score. So, 216 pit score was entered as 220 in the SRB.

I never knew that. I qualified at Edson at bootcamp and don't remember grading that way, but who knows when it comes to recruits. The only other range I qualified on was Wilcox. I never knew there was a difference in the two, besides the soft shooting surfaces at Edson.