I tried .5 up and .5 down with bad results, reshot 37.1 grains of h4895 (in 17 mph wind gusts), and had a 1.204 4 shot group, so I know I have a load that shoots moa in good conditions with me doing my part. I have a small amount of reloader 15, so I figure I will try 2 or 3 loads with that and then decide whether I am happy with 1 moa. Definitely deer ready, just a matter of how long I want to screw with it to try to shrink it .3 or .4 inches. A couple people stated that if your rifle doesn't shoot xyc powder than get rid of it......I appreciate everyones response but isn't that what load workup is for, if we knew what powder and load worked in every gun we would just load that powder and load and save a lot of time, money, and supplies. If I find that special load I'll report back. Lenny