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Alright boys and girls, I rummaged through the ammo bin and found a .45 ACP load that should offer satisfactory penetration.


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Originally Posted by BwanaND
Have a 1911 in 45 acp that I plan on taking with me hiking around Glacier National Park as just-in-case bear protection.

Am just thinking worst case scenario or as the Boy Scouts say, "Be prepared."

I think that's inconsistent ... I don't think you can be prepared for griz with a .45 ACP. Mutually exclusive.

Couple thoughts come to mind. First, this morning's local news featured 2 grizzly bears that have been raised in a local animal rehab center. Those things are BIG. BIG BIG BIG. Second thing, we had a local bear hunter go after a wounded black bear with a 1911 .45 ACP a couple years ago. He got 4 shots into it before it got ahold of him. It worked him over but good. That was "just" a black bear and not a particularly large one at that.

You're kidding yourself packing a 1911 for the bears. If you want to pack a 1911, do it, but focus on ammo to protect yourself against the 2 legged varmints and leave the bears to your guardian angel. You're safer KNOWING you're not protected and being maximum careful than thinking you are protected when you are not.

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The bullet/load is the most important part of the equation. A few years ago a frizz was killed in Denali park with a 45 ACP in defense of life and or property.

There are many bullets that are not up to the task that is for sure and for certain. The 255 grain hard cast as loaded by Buffalo Bore at 960 FPS has enough penetration to get the job done



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This thread is awesome.



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Originally Posted by ppine
I will stick with large bore lever action or bolt action rifles for big bears.

I would like to see some other common calibers and their penetration to compare to the .45.


Yeah. I always carry my 9.3X62 when hiking Glacier. The best thing about it is it doesn't draw attention.



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deflate, to rely on a handgun for protection one must be able to hit with it, those that can't believe that one can. They try to force their inabilities on others



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Originally Posted by ppine
Bear incidents are the last place you want to have to worry about reliability. I like revolvers and lever action rifles.


Yeah, once you get into something more dangerous than police or military work, you need to go back to cowboy guns.

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Originally Posted by jwp475


deflate, to rely on a handgun for protection one must be able to hit with it, those that can't believe that one can. They try to force their inabilities on others


I hope nobody finds out I carry a .44 Special in bear country. They might think I'm suicidal.


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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by ppine
Bear incidents are the last place you want to have to worry about reliability. I like revolvers and lever action rifles.


Yeah, once you get into something more dangerous than police or military work, you need to go back to cowboy guns.


Laughin' my ass off...

I think Mrs. Pine should stick to the Hunter's Campfire.


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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by ppine
Bear incidents are the last place you want to have to worry about reliability. I like revolvers and lever action rifles.


Yeah, once you get into something more dangerous than police or military work, you need to go back to cowboy guns.


you make that sound bad...


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Originally Posted by deflave

I hope nobody finds out I carry a .44 Special in bear country. They might think I'm suicidal.


Elmer used to carry one of those back in the day, so I think you get a pass on that.


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It's just my misfortune that Jeff Cooper wasn't a rancher in Montana.


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Originally Posted by ppine
I am a believer in bear spray. It wasn't invented when I worked in Alaska but I carry it now along with a Model 71 Winchester.



Here's an empty can of bear spray. Fell on a rock.

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Good call on that choice of rifle. You've been a tremendous benefit to the OP's question. Hiking National Parks and the Model 71's go together like peas and carrots.


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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
It's just my misfortune that Jeff Cooper wasn't a rancher in Montana.


I read on the internet that the closer you are to the center of a city, the more effective the 45 ACP is.

Once you pass the last suburb, it becomes useless.

Hope this helps.


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Originally Posted by wildhobbybobby
Originally Posted by 41magfan
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I remember reading about the bear attacking the warden after being released. There were more photos than the 2 above. That happened in Montana I believe in the 90's. The warden that was attacked suffered a broken ankle I believe from a bite. There was also another officer in the truck as well


It was in '87 and the Montana F&G Officer involved was Lou Kis. I suspect the story and pics are archived somewhere.


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http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/hunting/2008/01/grizzly-attack-caught-camera


Damn, that was pretty hairy.

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Wonder if that warden knows he should have just given up and died because all he had was that .357???

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Originally Posted by jds44
Wonder if that warden knows he should have just given up and died because all he had was that .357???


You're only allowed to do that if you carry a .45 ACP.


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Originally Posted by jds44
Wonder if that warden knows he should have just given up and died because all he had was that .357???


No schit. I'd have had a Model 71 on left shoulder, an H&H slung over my right, and a Casull dangling from each hip.


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Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by ppine
I am a believer in bear spray. It wasn't invented when I worked in Alaska but I carry it now along with a Model 71 Winchester.



Here's an empty can of bear spray. Fell on a rock.

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Good call on that choice of rifle. You've been a tremendous benefit to the OP's question. Hiking National Parks and the Model 71's go together like peas and carrots.


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Too freakin funny, you're killin me. Not with a 45 acp though, it just bruises.

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Originally Posted by T_O_M
Originally Posted by BwanaND
Have a 1911 in 45 acp that I plan on taking with me hiking around Glacier National Park as just-in-case bear protection.

Am just thinking worst case scenario or as the Boy Scouts say, "Be prepared."

I think that's inconsistent ... I don't think you can be prepared for griz with a .45 ACP. Mutually exclusive.

Couple thoughts come to mind. First, this morning's local news featured 2 grizzly bears that have been raised in a local animal rehab center. Those things are BIG. BIG BIG BIG. Second thing, we had a local bear hunter go after a wounded black bear with a 1911 .45 ACP a couple years ago. He got 4 shots into it before it got ahold of him. It worked him over but good. That was "just" a black bear and not a particularly large one at that.

You're kidding yourself packing a 1911 for the bears. If you want to pack a 1911, do it, but focus on ammo to protect yourself against the 2 legged varmints and leave the bears to your guardian angel. You're safer KNOWING you're not protected and being maximum careful than thinking you are protected when you are not.

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Find it pretty hard to agree with that last statement.

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