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Mr. Painless your post above almost caused me to pee my pants!

All this talk of poor quality and you snap the trigger off while removing stock just to peek inside at the trigger arrangement of your gun. OMG I was so laughing my A$$ off on that. Sorry for your broken gun but that just made my day. What better way could there be of proving a point about poor metalurgy and quality then that post.

Imagine the risk when actually hunting with it, in real conditions every day hiking and climbing and functioning in the bush!

I wrote earlier of the hood of that toyota shearing off the whole trigger guard and trigger assembly from recoil, yet not so much as scratched paint on the hood. You provide perfect backup credibility to that story now. All you did was take off the stock and trigger broke off!

OMG I nearly soiled my drawers when I read that!

I hope you also noticed that in my post above I stated that the factory triggers were crap. It really wasn't any fault of the rifle I thought that I had cleared the trigger guard and when I pulled back on the barrel the trigger was caught on the wood. I t also took a pretty good chunk of wood out of the stock. No worries though I have steel triggers on all my hunting rifles so that will not happen with my other rifles. this one is waiting on a new stock and proably a new trigger group after tonights test. So when I get the rest of the stuff the steel trigger will go in it.......blake


Now to the test. I put the unassembled trigger group in salt water about an hour ago. which was 7:00pm my time. 30 minutes ago I put it all in a zip lock bag. How long should I leave it in there for a good test............Blake





edited to add second picture

It will not rust much in the water because there is insufficient oxygen. Put it in the baggie, wet but not in the glass. At least I think that is a better test...
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FORUM: Ask the Gun Writers

THREAD: Fouling shot before hunting

POSTER: kecatt

DATE OF POST:3-30-06


Part of post is that his friend had to borrow his ruger rifle because his REMINGTON CDL 7mm-08 had a broken trigger group!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is not possible is it??????????? I would understand by all these posts that only Browning triggers were junk!!!

I'm thinking that Remington must have put a Browning trigger group in that CDL as that is the only possible explanation as to why it would break.

I am sure glad that the man with the broken Remington gun was not on a hunt of a lifetime. He would have been upset over his inferior trigger parts.

I could not resist folks, the only failure that I experienced was a savage model 110 7mm mag not firing once. I never have had a problem with winchesters, Rugers or (my gosh it can't be so) Browning rifles. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

So thats what it means when they say a Browning trigger breaks easily.

I had that confused with the nice, light, creep-free pull that both my A-Bolts came out of the box with.

I guess the heavy, durable trigger explains what came on the 700's, 77's, 110 and 70 I have owned over the years. Sure explains the pull they had out of the box.

Guess I better watch the trigger on my Liberty #1B, the trigger on it breaks nice too.

when I went to bed last night i took it out of the glass and put it all in the plastic bag. I didn't wipe it off and left it there over night. This morning I took it all out and put it on a paper towel, will see what it looks like when I get home this afternoon and post some more pics.....Man you guys should have seen how pizzed off my wife was when I told her that this was out of a perfectly good rifle. She said so you are going to ruin those parts on purpose, I tried to tell her that this was for the good of all humanity and such I don't think that she bought it.............Blake

powerguy, I hope that you don't see my posts as bashing the brownings as that is not my intent. I am a huge fan of browning rifles, I am doing some tests to see how they will hold up in the elements. The trigger breaking off was completely my fault. I replace all the triggers in my a-bolts with a moyers steel trigger for the just in case factor..........Blake

Man do I suck! Not only do I own an inferior, unreliable Browning, (that took a buck at 150yards) but I went and had it's pending replacement made out of an inferior, unreliable Remington. Thank God I didn't buy one of those awful Model 70's with all their faults, or a Ruger that won't shoot into the side of the same barn twice. If only I had known I could have purchased a nice trusty all stainless, synthetic stocked flintlock for my foul weather hunting!

There you go braggin' again! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> The first time I figured you just made a typo...now I'm starting to wonder. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> You keep this up and MT's gonna get suspicious! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Such filth on this G-rated site. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Well...at least now I know it wasn't my twisted widdew mind pwaying twicks on me! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

So did it rust bad??I have used an A-bolt hard for 14 years with no trouble to speak of.And I love my cz,and savage>>Only guns that have broke on me were winchester defenders.I did have the action partially freeze up on my A-bolt a few winters ago,had to beat the bolt handle quite hard to open the action.I did take a nice bull moose with it about an hour later so It still worked great!!

No offense was taken Blake,


I put that post there cause if you read alot of the other posts you would believe that wet toilet paper was stronger and less prone to failure than a Browning A-Bolt rifles. I also am a fan of A-Bolts, to me either I can buy a Remmy and lap the lugs, replace the trigger, bed the action and handload it to get my moa or I can buy an A-Bolt and do it out of the box. For my time and money I'll get the A-Bolt. That is what makes our sport great, lots of choices and even more opinions and none are more correct than the other. Absolutely no flamin intended here just my opinion..... John <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

ok guys here are the pics. Now remember that these parts were soaked in salt water for 2 hours and then put in a plastic bag in the saltwater for an hour. at about 10:15 pm I took the parts out of the saltwater and put them in the plastic bag. This morning I took out the parts and laid them out on a paper towel and left them there all day. Well here are the pics I will let them speak for themselves.......blake

here is another

I see a lot of Salt residue, but only one part shows rust...probably at a "wear point".

Are we seeing these pics clearly????

I would say this test shows the A-Bolts component to be fairly hearty.

this test is anything but conclusive. Temperature and other factors have alot to do with how quickly something rusts. I do however think that this shows that the a-bolt trigger is at least as good as most others in regards to corrosion..........blake

Well, I'm not seeing enough rust to make that trigger freeze up. Would the type of salt make a difference? Maybe you need to scrape some of the bluing off those parts so they rust better. Otherwise, you might offend someone.

I don't think I'd want to rely on any gun that had been dipped in saltwater and not cleaned for a day. Browning or otherwise...

Blake
Is that actually salt residue or the "flour" corrosion seen on non-steel parts? When wiped off is there a little pit at each of the points? Does not look like salt residue to me from the pictures.
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neither it is the grease that browning uses to lubricate the moving parts I guess. When I took the stuff apart I didn't clean it off, it was not caked on any of the parts, just little clumps. I went down stairs and wiped off the parts I see no signs of pits. I am thinking wipe all parts completely down dunk and do the plastic bag thing again. I want to add though that the grease stuff WAS NOT smeared on any of the parts. I just took the stuff out chunked it in salt water and then threw it in the plastic bag. Like I said not a conclusive test but I think it will still function I will put the steel trigger in and find out if it works. I will wait and see if anyone wants me to dunk it again before I do that though...........blake

This can not be!!!!

Alot of the posts would have you believe that the A-bolt trigger rusted at the mention of word salt., let alone actually getting dunked in it for two hours.

In all honesty, I do believe the gentlemen with the first hand experience with the failures, but how long ago and what was the approximate age of the rifles in question. At some time maybe Browning had some issues with the triggers but now has taken care of them. That I do consider a possibility.

Thank you for doing this test it may quiet some nay sayers down.

I still have not heard any responses to the REMMY CDL with the broken trigger group in one of my above posts. I believe that with any brand of gun you can and will get a failure here and there.

Thanks again for the test, John <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />