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Do not take the 1907 apart. You will never get the recoil spring back in it.
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Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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don't go overboard for Zombies
stick to 9mm, 40s&w, 45Auto or 223Rem...
Something you can pickup anywhere
stopping powere is no big deal cause of the shot location
Stay away from 22LR... trust me
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That which does not kill us makes us stronger
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Do not take the 1907 apart. You will never get the recoil spring back in it.  well, one of them is apart, and I need to make a new spring for it.
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the m1 carbine owes a lot of its parentage to the 351. There were over 7million m1carbines made, probably a million left according to estimates world wide. Most used hard and put away wet. It would cost into the 800dollar range just to rebuild one.
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a carbine if you look under rocks you can still find the brass/bullets. There are a lot of parts including new barrels out there, and they definitely have mag capacity if you want that. A paratrooper stocked m1carbine with two 30round mags strapped on is kind of impressive.
I would look at the 351 as a collector's item only. A m1carbine particularly with new tech. bullets is in a different category.
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Do not take the 1907 apart. You will never get the recoil spring back in it. well, one of them is apart, and I need to make a new spring for it. If you call ahead and make sure I'm at the shop I will help you get it back in. Best way I've found is It will take both of us.
Founder
Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
WS
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Do not take the 1907 apart. You will never get the recoil spring back in it. well, one of them is apart, and I need to make a new spring for it. If you call ahead and make sure I'm at the shop I will help you get it back in. Best way I've found is It will take both of us. Thanks, I will take you up on that! - this one lived a long hard life on a South Texas ranch, and is in rougher shape than the one I posted earlier. It was a gift from a friend of my Grandad, to my Dad. S/N 2XXX I do seem to recall launching the spring out of it, at one point  The recoil spring is mechanically worn and needs replacing. Since these are blowback operated, a spring failure could be a big problem. The piece I am holding is the very large forged & machined breechblock. It would cost a fortune to make one of these today. ![[Linked Image]](http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww127/tex_n_cal/DSCN2584.jpg)
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Yes. Know those parts well. Hopefully the forearm wood isn't splintered up. That seems to happen a bunch to the rifles that had an active life! Worked on one the other day for a young kid. His was in pretty good shape. About 1916 vintage.
Interesting thing about the 1907. The French and Russians bought a few to test and use in the Great War. I believe a few did make it to the trenches in France. US Signal Corps bought a bunch too! Idea was to use them in Curtiss JN-3's and 4's as armament for the observer! Not many were used.
Been in and out of work lately with mom and wifey's health. So check before you drive up!
Founder
Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
WS
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I would hold out for the 30 M1 CB unless i was just buying the Winchester for hunting or collecting . You want to look for a Marlin Camp Carbine in 9mm
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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while finding .30 carbine ammo can be a challenge at times, finding adequate quantities of .351 SL would seem an impossible task. During the Zombie Apocalypse, you will need more than half a box.  Cracked me up, Sam!
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bumping this, I obtained a magazine for the first one shown up top - for a mere $64  When I dry fired it, it went " plop" "hmmmm..." I thought. They are takedown rifles; one screw at the back separates the rifle and opens up the trigger group. I don't think it had ever been apart, judging by the dried oil in the action. The firing pin was frozen, too. Some soaking in Kroil & CLP, and now I think it should work okay. Haven't yet worked up the nerve to take down the front end, though 
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Kahr makes the M1 Carbine but they are priced as high a original which i would hold out for if i was in the market for one .
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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Wish I could find the article. A well known gun writer implied that had the M1 carbine been chambered for the 351 cartridge origianlly it would have been a far better battle rifle.
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I'm kind of surprised the .351 wasn't made originally to use .357 bullets, since that bore size had already been established by that point. Would certainly make things easier, from a tooling standpoint
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Wish I could find the article. A well known gun writer implied that had the M1 carbine been chambered for the 351 cartridge origianlly it would have been a far better battle rifle. The M1 Carbine was never intended to be a battle rifle. Pretty much all the criticism of the little Carbine has been from people trying to compare it to battle rifles. The M1 was a PDW; a replacement for a handgun. And a fine replacement it was. The decision to use .30 caliber was for a couple of reasons. 1 � Existing barrel making equipment could be made use of. 2 � The lighter bullet of the .30 Carbine made for much lighter ammunition. Sure a .351 would have been better, but weight savings was a HUGE priority for the design of the M1 Carbine. When used for what it was designed for, the M1 Carbine really didn�t much disappoint. Especially when you consider your other choice was an M1911A1. Problems came in Korea where ranges were long, and clothing was heavy, and soldiers pressed the M1 Carbine into service as a front line infantry rifle�not a smart move.
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Wish I could find the article. A well known gun writer implied that had the M1 carbine been chambered for the 351 cartridge origianlly it would have been a far better battle rifle. The M1 Carbine was never intended to be a battle rifle. Pretty much all the criticism of the little Carbine has been from people trying to compare it to battle rifles. The M1 was a PDW; a replacement for a handgun. And a fine replacement it was. The decision to use .30 caliber was for a couple of reasons. 1 � Existing barrel making equipment could be made use of. 2 � The lighter bullet of the .30 Carbine made for much lighter ammunition. Sure a .351 would have been better, but weight savings was a HUGE priority for the design of the M1 Carbine. When used for what it was designed for, the M1 Carbine really didn�t much disappoint. Especially when you consider your other choice was an M1911A1. Problems came in Korea where ranges were long, and clothing was heavy, and soldiers pressed the M1 Carbine into service as a front line infantry rifle�not a smart move. the heavy clothing thing is a myth.....it penetrated the clothing fine.....problem was it was skinny lil starving bastards in the bulky clothing so not every solid looking hit actually hit flesh or atleast didnt hit anything vital.....
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Another vote for te M1 carbine.
The 351SL is a fine nostalgia gun to hunt with (might be sweet on a pig hunt).
BMT
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Perhaps Military Rifle would have been a better term.
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M870 Remington 12 ga. pump with 'bucking shot' or #2s would suffice best! Folks tend to duck when they hear the slide action put into play!!
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An M1 carbine design adapted to a rimless .357 Magnum round would be pretty neat but I can't see there being a big market for it today. Particularly not with all of the various chamberings and uppers you can get on the AR platform these days. Still would'a been cool back before the AR-15 was born. 
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Own and shoot both. My pick by far is the 30 carbine for all the previous listed reasons. Another $300. spent to get the military issue version of the carbine will be money well spent. GW
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