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Bare rifle with heavy octagon at 30 inches?

Will be placing my order tomorrow and was curious about what I could expect.

Right close to 12 lbs.
When I sent mine back to have it rebarreled to 44-77 I had them to add the sling swivels.

Thanks

Still debating myself over cartridge, 45-90 or 44-90.

I just got a 45-70 Roughrider with no pewter and a shotgun buttplate. 30 inch Number One heavy barrel and a full buckhorn rear sight. 11 pounds, 6 oz on digital scales.

Nathaniel I really LOVE my 44/90 BUT is is unusual among the unusual. Jamison brass,RCBS Legacy dies and custom molds. I cannot find ONE single historical reference to ANYTHING but paper patched ammunition. Kurt 71 is waaaaayyy better at these than I am but it is a critter killer first class

Either or neither, 45-2 7/8" original style Loomer chamber for paper patch bullets only. " It's a lot easier to ride a fast horse slow than a slow horse fast" I said that, Magnum man.

I'ld really suggest you take a look at the 44-77. Shiloh has changed their chamber to a 7 degree lead. Brass is available in reformed 348's from BACO, Jamison should be about ready to run another batch of it shortly, and I'm having pretty decent results trimming down Norma basic 45 and fireforming.

Wow! That's one ugly looking brute! Nice pig though,

That's just the evil popping out on him. He's really a handsome fellow. From a distance...

Ed

What a TERRIBLE choice! I need to take that off of your hands immediately and save you from being disgraced.
Imagine what the other Grand Masters would say, knowing that you had such an example!
Now, for a rookie such as I, it wouldn't be so embarrassing to own.

Perhaps I should come out there later this week and look it over real well.

Ed

Thanks all,

Have made up my mind. Since I have a 45-90 and a 44-77 already it will be the 44-90. Wanted to go as historicaly accurate as possible for a buff rifle anyway. I know this will out me as a criminal but I shoot greasers in my 44-77 and am not set up for paper patching yet. So I could use a list of materials to get started with. Paper, template, grease wads, wads ect and a bullet mould to obtain. Looks like BACO has Jamision brass and a book on the paper patch subject.

Again, thanks

Depends on what you're going to shoot with that rifle. I had Baco redesign one of their moulds, and they came up with the 434470, that bullet is shooting well to 1000 yds. Old West has/had a copy of an original bullet , dual diameter 435 at the base with a 431 nose. It shoots well in my 44-77 at a couple of different lengths and makes a dandy hunting bullet.
Seth Cole 8 lb paper or this stuffhttp://www.utrechtart.com/Utrecht-Tracing-Paper-Roll--8-0-lb---White-26-MP-10
Get your template from BACO, but you'll need to cut your patches to the width you want for the bullet you're shooting.
I load my 44-77 with a lubed felt wad from Muzzleloader originals and a rubber cork wad punched with a Cornell .446 press mounted punch.
Dab of jojoba oil on the patches after the bullet is seated.

It's a done deal. Ordered from Goodman this morning and am told it will be four months for delivery.
#3 sporter
Standard wood
44-90
30 inch Heavy octagon
Bone and Charcoal finish
Traditional butt plate

When you say "traditional" buttplate, do you mean a traditional steel checkered shotgun buttplate, or the traditional military buttplate?

You will be way ahead of the game if it is the checkered steel shotgun buttplate.

THIS is the rifle you ordered. BTW, call Shiloh back and have the Hartford collar put on it. It is true to form for the 44/90. Mine has the military buttplate. I personally do not find it obnoxious to shoot,but I ain't wrapped too tight either

Will pass on the mil butt, looks like pain! The shotgun plate works for me.

The # 3 is $1854 and the Hartford model is $2082 stock dimensions the same either butt.With the Hartford you get the Hartford collar and pewter forend tip.99% of all 44-90's were made in Hartford by the time Sharps moved to Bridgeport they quit making 44's unless special ordered, in favor of 45's. The mil butt was more common out of Hartford guns but the checkered steel shotgun butt was availible. I favor the shotgun butt for shooting as opposed to just fondling, yet others don't. When you walk down the Quigley firing line you see more Shiloh Sharps in one place than anywhere in the world at one time. The preponderance of the guns are shotgun butted .Your shoulder tells you what to buy and for me that is a shotgun butt for hard kickers. Magnum Man

Have not shot the 44-90 a lot, but did not find the recoil to be objectionable.
The only time I've found the military butt to be any problem was when shooting from prone. Shooting sitting or off hand it's actually a bit easier to maintain its position on the shoulder and keep a good cheek weld than the shotgun butt.

The good or bad part of ordering through Goodman is you can still call him up and have him make changes up until it goes on the floor. The Hartford I ordered through him ended up costing me about $1500 more than when I first placed the order through him! It would have been more but the day I called to upgrade the wood to Fancy it had already gone to the floor!

Dang your hide, Bill.