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I still see a good chance that Zimmerman can end up with a manslaughter, either voluntary or involuntary depending on how the case goes. Zimmerman really put himself in a very compromised position, so proving 2nd degree murder is a bit of a stretch. But I don't think it's too hard to prove one of the manslaughters. I don't see this ending well for Zimmerman. And just how long would you think Z should have allowed his head to be slammed into the concrete before you would accept a self defense (stand your ground) plea?
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Has the Zimmerman Trial become the gossip thread of Campfire? Yes. If I were a moderator, I'd merge all of them into one topic. We need more threads about the government's burying its scandals which is what is most important in these times.
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Wonder what Zimmerman's defense attorney was trying to accomplish by persisting with the issue about the amount of marijuana found in Trayvon's toxicology test?
I've always been led to believe that marijuana had the effect of making one docile, more laid-back, and if anything, much less prone to any aggressive, combative behavior.
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Is that a serious question or are you speaking TIC? Nope,... no "TIC" intended. Seriously meant as a serious question. I'm not and never have been student of law and don't pretend to be one, although I am finding it interesting,... that's why I asked the question. Any serious input will be appreciated.
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Ever heard of a mean drunk?
it can happen with weed as well.
I have known a few guys that i would not be around when they were smoking.
Some folks just can't mellow out.
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What it proves is that Treyvon wasn't the innocent little Skittles toting choir boy the media painted.
I still find it hard to believe just how pro-Negro the media has become.
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Ever heard of a mean drunk?
it can happen with weed as well.
I have known a few guys that i would not be around when they were smoking.
Some folks just can't mellow out. Thank you very much, sir! I am somewhat surprised too because that's pretty much opposite what the pro-marijuana bunch claim.
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Can the ME testimony be struck as he kept referring to "Trevor" Martin?
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Do any ME's speak English any more?
Maybe the Charlie Chan accent gives them some cred.
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I still think GZ is toast..
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There actually is something called THC psychosis, but it doesn't matter, because even though the ME changed his opinion, the judge is still disallowing any toxicology testimony.
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I realize it is minutia, but what does that "RTL" stand for?
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is it me or does the prosecutor look like this guys twin brother. ![[Linked Image]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/Dennis_Rader_booking.jpg) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dennis_Rader_booking.jpg
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I think he will do some time and I think it is right that he does.
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Absurdly emotional and not even close to being premised within the testimony provided or the realities of this case. Testimony can be believed, or disbelieved, based on logic and experience. Are you saying that emotions are the sole factor in deciding which testimony to believe? Zimmerman fits just as neatly in his "cop wannabe" box as Martin fits in his "aspiring young street thug" box. Martin being on top of Zimmerman seems to be a fact established by a credible eyewitness. Zimmerman sustains injuries appropriate to a schoolyard fight between two 16 year old boys. Zimmerman shoots Martin and the path of the bullet is consistent with the position established by the eyewitnesses testimony. For all the events between Zimmerman's phone call to the cops, and the appearance of the eyewitness, we only have Zimmerman's statements. I believe it is more likely than not that he lied about Martin's words;" You're gonna die tonight", and I doubt Zimmerman could have succeeded in drawing and firing his pistol if Martin had discovered its existence. This would be my state of mind as a juror at this stage of the trial. If GZ chooses to take the stand and convince me of his credibility, I'd be open minded. As a juror, I'd opt for a conviction on something short of murder. If the question is simply;" Was Zimmerman in fear of death or great bodily harm at the time he pulled the trigger?" I'd say he probably walks out of his house with that fear every night. That's why he's a wanna be cop. Would a reasonable man in Zimmerman's position have that fear? Why, Hell no.
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is it me or does the prosecutor look like this guys twin brother. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dennis_Rader_booking.jpg This guy looks more like Jack Nicholson's bro.
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Would a reasonable man in Zimmerman's position have that fear?
Why, Hell no.
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Absurd.The inquiry is not whether you (juror) think it was reasonable the inquiry is (as a juror) whether GZ reasonably believed he was in fear of serious harm.
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Defense is asking for dismissal but it almost sounds like he's asking for or leaving the door open to a lesser charge instead of dismissal of any & all charges.
Not an attorney but I would have thought he would have gone after it a bit harder.
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I think he will do some time and I think it is right that he does.
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Absurdly emotional and not even close to being premised within the testimony provided or the realities of this case. Testimony can be believed, or disbelieved, based on logic and experience. Are you saying that emotions are the sole factor in deciding which testimony to believe? Zimmerman fits just as neatly in his "cop wannabe" box as Martin fits in his "aspiring young street thug" box. Martin being on top of Zimmerman seems to be a fact established by a credible eyewitness. Zimmerman sustains injuries appropriate to a schoolyard fight between two 16 year old boys. Zimmerman shoots Martin and the path of the bullet is consistent with the position established by the eyewitnesses testimony. For all the events between Zimmerman's phone call to the cops, and the appearance of the eyewitness, we only have Zimmerman's statements. I believe it is more likely than not that he lied about Martin's words;" You're gonna die tonight", and I doubt Zimmerman could have succeeded in drawing and firing his pistol if Martin had discovered its existence. This would be my state of mind as a juror at this stage of the trial. If GZ chooses to take the stand and convince me of his credibility, I'd be open minded. As a juror, I'd opt for a conviction on something short of murder. If the question is simply;" Was Zimmerman in fear of death or great bodily harm at the time he pulled the trigger?" I'd say he probably walks out of his house with that fear every night. That's why he's a wanna be cop. Would a reasonable man in Zimmerman's position have that fear? Why, Hell no. Wow. Is there another Zimmerman trial that is being covered/discussed because the trial I am keeping up with does not match the facts that curdog is relating?
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Lawyers, why did the defense allow the ME to come in with a change in his "OPINION" based on a case 3 weeks ago. As if every trauma to the heart is the same as another. No question about the victim's size, the distance from the muzzle to the vistim, the caliber of weapon etc.
I can't believe that they just let this guy go about his befuddling testimony about his recent experience causing him to change his opinion.
I think had the defense pressed on specifics of this recent case, the ME would have been made to look like even more of a fool. I would guess he couldn't tell you what weapon was used, caliber, distance from muzzle, position of the victim relative to the aggressor etc.
Unbelievable.
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This would be my state of mind as a juror at this stage of the trial. If GZ chooses to take the stand and convince me of his credibility, I'd be open minded.
As a juror, I'd opt for a conviction on something short of murder.
If the question is simply;" Was Zimmerman in fear of death or great bodily harm at the time he pulled the trigger?"
I'd say he probably walks out of his house with that fear every night. That's why he's a wanna be cop.
So you would disregard the evidence, (or lack of) and make a judgement solely on what your experience tells you about human behavior"
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Please list the facts I presented in my post and tell me how they differ from the facts in the case?
Go ahead. There's only three. It won't take long.
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