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cause lots of the crackers have something to lose by going to jail, family, careers, savings etc.

for white trash and [bleep], jail is just a place to get clean, lift some weights, get your dental needs taken care of and get 3 squares a day.

in some ways it's a lot better than the life they built for themselves.


they're turning up the water temp ever so slowly and they are destroying our freedoms one step at a time.


but if enough of those crackers ever wake up to the fact that our gov't can't be trusted, our courts can't be trusted before they're disarmed you may indeed see the crackers go off someday.


I hope not, cause in War it's not just bad folks that get killed, lots of innocents and good guys lose their lives as well


but it truly is shameful what we've let this nation become.

the institutions we were raised to respect our gov't, our courts and sometimes our LEO agencies are failing to earn the respect we've given them.

with all the hyperbole surrounding this case, we as a nation lose regardless of the outcome.

sorta like paying taxes, the more you send them, the more they waste.

That prosecuter would have a hard time proving Martin is dead beyond a reasonable doubt!

I have to agree with you. No wonder you folks are so bitter. I'm embarrassed for you.

The defense needs to let the jury know if they let the state get by with prosecuting someone for defending themselves that no one will be safe in their persons.

if the law's on your side hammer the law

if the facts are on your side hammer the facts

if neither are on your side hammer the table


that prosecutor was whuppin on that table!


but he was emotional, and it is an all woman jury

Contrary to what a lot of people think, women are very conscious of the right of self defense...even more so the right of somebody else to act in there behalf. If I had any money to bet, I'd be giving odds that he will be acquitted. Self defense trumps any charge.

As clear cut as it is that GZ should walk, the number of people who find him guilty and think the prosecutor has proven it is astonishing. Three women in my family think he is guilty of 2nd degree murder and should be convicted of it. These are all educated women, one who is a conservative the other is a liberal educator. The third is my MIL, she is just ridiculous. The thought process by these three make me think GZ is going down by virtue of an all woman jury. Frightening.

When I was a young prosecutor I had a case get away from me. It turned out to be a stinker when the victim and most of the witnesses didn't testify like their written statement. My closing was a complete flame out like that guy and I tried throwing every piece of poo at the wall I could to try and make something stick. I was young and thought that was my job. After the case was over my boss took me aside and told me cases like that can happen and if I found myself in a similar situation I should ask the case be dismissed.

Thanks for the story...I can see it. Can you imagine doing that on prime time?

Women are very unforgiving of lies.

If they are told by men.

It will be interesting to see if the Defense uses much time trying to reconcile the inconsistencies in Z's differing accounts, and explain away the "going for my gun" difficulties.

I thought the PA did a credible job of painting Z as a wannabe cop, which is crucial to their case.

If he was successful in convincing these 6 women that Z lied about matters of substance, they will not acquit him. They can rationalize away the finer points of the law contained in their instructions.

Surely in Florida the convicted party gets a free copy of the transcript for his appeal. The damn thing will probably weigh 50 pounds.

I spoke to my white democrat female neighbor who hasn't seen any of the trial and she said ... (I'm paraphrasing)

That GZ was a racist that profiled TM and shot him while he was talking on the phone ... in cold blood.

This is how the ignorant masses view the trial. Beware the riots if GZ is found innocent.

The role reversal is exactly how I've perceived this from the very beginning.

The prosecution makes accusations and the defense uses evidence to disprove it.

No trial viewing, but did she get 'information' from NBC a year ago?

I bet so. That's where her opinion was given to her.

Those of us that deal with that element are used to riots. They happen about midnight almost every Friday or Saturday night when too many of them show up at the same place. No sweat.

Prosecutor's closing was like the charges themselves....

ginned up.

That is because most people are not really following the trial, and the real facts presented in the trial, but get everything they know from the manufactured MSM biases. In effect, even if Z goes free, the media has still won because they have proven him "guilty" to the masses that haven't actually followed the facts of the case. It really is that simple. The prosecution didn't have to win, they just had to take him to court and let the media do the work of destroying him.

Add my sister-in-law, "he had no business carrying a gun".

...and yes, she voted for Obama.

If this prosecutor is actually from Jacksonville, I'm opening a satellite office. His histrionics and intentional bastardization of facts was appalling, although not surprising.

Pat's right as to it usually being a reverse scenario. But, then again, this entire trial presentation has been a role reversal.

I still predict this jury comes back with a not guilty in less than 10 hours of deliberations, maybe even well less than 10 hours.

If it's out longer, my guess it will be because of one or two lone hold-outs looking for some compromise.

In Florida, do the instructions require that the jury also know of the potential penitentiary time for each charge?

You are absolutely correct, but you gotta look at the other side of the coin. "Ya betta not jack dem honkies, les ya wanna get [bleep] up."

I only saw the closing statement, but did anyone else find it interesting that the "last picture ever taken of Trayvon Martin" the prosecutor showed the jury was a 5x7? I think if I wanted to leave a lasting impression, I would've made a poster size print.