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I believe you can load a .375 H&H to push a 300grain bullet to 2800fps (5200 ftlbs+/-) I do -- really I do. No kidding I really do believe it.

but the 300 at 2500 fps+ offers what exactly?

but the 300 at 2500 fps+ offers what exactly?
What When and Where> what are you talking about?

375 H&H > See the people that have a good 375 H&H rifle >know the fack>jack! To me its getting to BaZZZZro land that people that shoot 30o6 want to talk about a true mag caliber!>Enjoy!

DB> what do you think about GO??> that said He cant match even the 375 Ruger to the 375 H&H without Lock Up!>>>>Very interesting!> I cant talk about it but GO>SAYES NO WAY!

The 375 Weatherby wasn't any good either
All those extra grains of powder simply confused things

You can keep your H & H, I'll keep my 375 Ruger

Nuthin' wrong with either. I just don't think you need a rifle the size of a Buick for a 375H&H.

I'll keep my 375 Chatfield/Taylor. It's THE original 375 ShortMag.

Only if a guy is dumb enough to want it that way....grin!

I have a 375H&H here that weighs 8 pounds scoped.....BTW that is about a pound less than a 375 Ruger African,scoped....and my rifle is now over 30 years old.Where the hell have you guys been?

Where this stuff about a 375 HH having to weigh 10-plus pounds got started I have no idea, but it is like a lot of shooting lore;mostly myth and based on SOME factory rifles.

The notion that you have to have a shorter fatter 375 to have a light rifle in that category simply is not true.....about 4 years ago I helped a friend spec out a left hand 375HH on a M70 action that came in a bit under 8 pounds scoped....the boys at Winchester may feel a 375 has to weigh 10 pounds but I don't agree with them.

x2! ..... Mine weighs 8.75lb scoped and will do anything a 602 will do except weigh 11 lbs.

I resemble that comment! I just don't get it...what's 2 pounds got to do with anything? 2#'s to me makes the rifle hold better with off hand or off sticks...which is 95% of the shooting I do with the 375H&H. I've hunted her since 1996 for everything from coyotes up to elk and I like to walk. Even H&H builds the 375 at 10 pounds.

What in the world is up with all the little arrow keys/symbols?
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..........bcd,,,,,,,,,,,Comparing any velocity #s between these two cartridges, is imo useless. Given the same sets of circumstances (loadings, terrains etc) and speaking of these two from a cartridge performance standpoint only, there is not one advantage that one will have over the other when hunting any big game species anywhere in the world.

Setting velocity #s completely aside, I think you are overlooking where the 375 Ruger excels. Like the rifles that have been and that are still available chambered in the 375 Ruger. There are things to also consider that are behind the muzzle too,,such as the rifle format.

Setting any velocity #s aside, then what`s the big deal with 375 Ruger?

Case capacity....8 grains (or thereabouts) more case powder capacity than the 375 H&H. Ok! Well so what.

As a former M70 375 H&H owner which had a 24-25" barrel and was 46+" long, I find a huge difference between that rifle and my current 375 Ruger Alaskan where handling, carrying and extra getting into action speed is concerned. And the clincher? Because of the 375 Ruger`s extra powder capacity, I haven`t lost any velocity from my Alaskan`s 20" barrel. A little cake and eat`n it too!

A sub 41" long 375 Ruger Alaskan rifle that does the same things ballistically (where velocities and accuracy is concerned), just as a 375 H&H rifle that is around 5"-6" longer and which weighs more as well.

With arms extended down at my side, I have carried my Alaskan by its pistol grip with the muzzle facing down for long periods of time without any issues. Imo and depending on individual height and terrain, most might be hard pressed to try that in the field for a period of time with a 46" or so long rifle without the muzzle hitting the ground, a rock or something else. Offers just another carrying option besides being slung over the shoulder.

I accomplish the same using an OAL of a few inches less. I look at things from behind the muzzle. Not just the cartridge itself.

All smoke and no go you state? Well where velocities are concerned between these two,,,you are correct.

For the 375 Ruger, its best "go" imo is in the shorter action less OAL rifle format. And it shouldn`t just be compared only to 375 H&H velocity #s.

www.gunblast.com/Ruger-Hawkeye375.htm

Not bad #s coming from Quinn`s African test sample. I`ve worked up to and duplicated one H4350 loading from that article. Running 60-65 fps behind from the Alaskan`s 3" shorter barrel.

No use tryin' to explain.....it's a government conspiracy to discredit the H&H round and eventually outlaw magnum length actions.

More like a 14year old pimple squeezer trying to rile up a bunch of old geezers.

I never understood the "out of a 30/06" length action. It seems Ruger is the only company that can't fit an H&H into a 30/06 length action. Remington and Winchester have been making them fit just fine for over 75 years!

Dude!

A "30-06 length action" (standard action) is for cases with COAL no longer than 3.40"

270
30-06
280
300 win mag
338 win mag
etc you get the picture

and a "375 H & H action" (magnum action) is for cases with COAL close to and longer than 3.60"

375 H & H
RUM
340 Wtby
8mm Rem Mag
30-378 Wtby
300 H & H
7 STW
etc you get the picture


If you tried to stuff a 375 H & H into a "30-06 length action" you would have to seat the bullet so deep the ogive would be well inside the case mouth

well then, what's all this funny business they've been doing with standard length model 98s for eons?

It's called a bolt stop, not the action length. Remington and Winchester have been putting the H&H in their 06 length actions just by putting in a different bolt stop that allowed the bolt to come back further. The exterior dimensions of the action are all the same.

Well.....yes and no.Pre 64 M70's needed some additional machining to handle HH length cartridges;but M70 Classics are long enough for Holland cartridges except for the magazine block as someone has pointed out.I have turned a number of 30/06 length M70 Classics into HH LENGTH by swapping out magaizine parts and my current Mashburn is built that way.

Remingtion standard actions are HH length as is.

So is the Ruger....I understand that Bill Atkinson converted a Ruger M77 Mark II 338Win Mag to 375H&H for Dave Scovill and as Dave related in one issue of Hanloader or Rifle, Phil Shoemaker took it to Alaska.I doubt there is any much weight difference between a M70 and an M77 Hawkeye or Mark II.

So in the end, while the 375 Ruger is certainly a great cartridge and eases manufacture,and can fit a 30/06 length box,it is not a real true "short action cartridge" that saves any weight.It does have a shorter bolt throw because again it is 30/06 length.

The REAL weight savings is in the stocks used and the clever barrel contour for the 375 Ruger African, which is closer to the right contour for a 375 bore if weight savings is your objective....the Ruger African is a well thought out 375, but anyone under the illusion that you can't exactly duplicate that rifle, or the Alaskan,chambered for 375HH,is incorrect...it certainly can be done and has been by custom rifle makers for decades.

If you want to be constrained by what the factories offer,then you take what they give you,but there is no magic in the Ruger case that results in a lighter rifle.