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It's not gay if your the pitcher and my 270 is always throwing heat 
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Was thinking about building a 280 but my homosexual cousin all ready uses one to miss and wound deer and elk
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Poor bullet design is not something inherent to the 270 - the initial round of Ballistic Tips were pretty bad in many calibers.
Around here, the 270 has a stellar reputation - taking many, many deer and elk every year, often with the "whatever is cheapest" ammo. Around here we joke that the 270 is suitable for gray squirrels and small yotes, I guess that the limited tags per hunter out there has not caught up with the 270 or better bullets are being used. It still has nothing to do with my premise that the 270 has a bad rap due to bullet construction and shot placement that you seem to have taken issue with, even though it is basically saying the 270 is not real gay when used correctly.
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all are likes and dislikes, with most just plain bull with no backup. so it boils down to what you like and if you can place the bullet at the proper place, nothing else counts. a miss kills nothing but air. Rational thought has no place here.... There is nine cents difference between the 270 and the 280. Not quite a dime�s worth.
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Poor bullet design is not something inherent to the 270 - the initial round of Ballistic Tips were pretty bad in many calibers.
Around here, the 270 has a stellar reputation - taking many, many deer and elk every year, often with the "whatever is cheapest" ammo. Around here we joke that the 270 is suitable for gray squirrels and small yotes, I guess that the limited tags per hunter out there has not caught up with the 270 or better bullets are being used. It still has nothing to do with my premise that the 270 has a bad rap due to bullet construction and shot placement that you seem to have taken issue with, even though it is basically saying the 270 is not real gay when used correctly. or the smaller deer in MS compared to elk in Montana. Some of the pictures I see of some southern deer look like small goats not deer.
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I cannot understand someone doing a 280AI to shoot 140s, which is almost as gay as a .270. The great reason to do a 280AI is because it is about the best use of a .473 bolt face action for a long range shooter, that has factory ammo available. If nosler will load some 280Ai with LR accubonds stock in the 280AI might go a little higher. But then Nosler could simply load the 150 ABLR in the 270..... Still dealing with a .625 vs a .650ish BC difference with both running in the 3K range. You could jump up to the 175 in the .280 for a .672BC and sacrifice a little velocity, maybe. Until I have loaded them myself it is all theoretical. I will concede that the LRAB does make the 270 a more attractive choice than the 150 bergers I have been running in mine. Running the .625 vs a .65 at 2900 fps (a likely velocity for both using 22" barrels) the 280 AI has something like a 3" advantage in wind drift at 1000 yards. Pass the 270, hold the fluff. We are talking about any advantages, and the differences are surely small. It is all just mental masturbation anyway, none of the differences become apparent till past distances most guys should be shooting anyway.....that said I will take the higher BCs any day I guess I will take not having to trim, a little BC advantage and cool over the .270. You seem to prefer not fireforming. Different strokes.
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There is nine cents difference between the 270 and the 280.
Not quite a dime�s worth. Winner, winner, chicken dinner. These threads are beyond stoopid
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Poor bullet design is not something inherent to the 270 - the initial round of Ballistic Tips were pretty bad in many calibers.
Around here, the 270 has a stellar reputation - taking many, many deer and elk every year, often with the "whatever is cheapest" ammo. Around here we joke that the 270 is suitable for gray squirrels and small yotes, I guess that the limited tags per hunter out there has not caught up with the 270 or better bullets are being used. It still has nothing to do with my premise that the 270 has a bad rap due to bullet construction and shot placement that you seem to have taken issue with, even though it is basically saying the 270 is not real gay when used correctly. or the smaller deer in MS compared to elk in Montana. Some of the pictures I see of some southern deer look like small goats not deer. That or they have kevlar hides as has been alledged by more than one guy. I have yet to see it, but have seen a lot of misplaced shots and some ugly .270 wounds, also seen a lot of deer that were lost here, that would have been found in open country.
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Prairie Goat, Location, Great Plains of Montana.
EddyBro, Location, Mississippi Swamp country.
Considering how your hunting conditions are diametrically opposed, it's no surprise your opinions are a little different.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Reminds me of the neighbors kids some time back telling us about the deer his dad shot 7 times before it died.
I knew the dad well enough to know he used a 300 mag.
Does this mean the 300 mag is not enough gun for deer, or that some guys can't shoot worth a chit?
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270 is available anywhere you go, loaded to its full potential, and Ingwe will call it gay.
Well....that's because it is.
Camp is where you make it.
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Oh yeah, well my 7mm express will beat your 6.9x64mm up.
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If you consider feces and blood to be lubricants, use the 7x57.
Otherwise, just buy a .270 and kill stuff.
You can roll a turd in peanuts, dip it in chocolate, and it still ain't no damn Baby Ruth.
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I own a couple of .270s and a couple of .280s.
I regard the highest and best use of a .270 is as a platform to be re-barreled to .280. (Insert sarcasm font here.)
Keep your gun-hand ready and your eyes peeled.
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I am DEFINETLY a 7mm follower, I guess I did find that magic in .007 inches. Don't know if its magic but ever since my whole family had there 270s stolen and replaced with anything but, I haven't had to trail a single deer shot by them, and I missed a many breakfast and supper before the burglar came along. Older ballistic tips, core loss, game kings and power points seemed to always be the culprit. But today I don't think id have a problem loading up a partition and going after well and deer or elk, but I won't because I have more better 7mms
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Well, I can solve it. I don't know anyone with a .280, but know several with .270's. I find .270 at a lot of stores, even with the "problem" right now. I have seen elk taken with .270, including the old ballistic tip, right through the spine, nothing but bits left, but the elk was down. That was a very good man running the trigger, you can't miss well enough with anything to take meat home. I do favor heavy bullets for caliber(.280). Has anyone shot the 180 .270? Will it stabelize in a standard twist? I have 7 Rem. 30-06, and 2506, .243 among others. The 30-06 will do aything I need, the .243 is fun, the 7 is being left home mostly now, the .25-06 is an answer looking for a problem, but I like it.
I would never recommend a .280 to anyone other than a handloader, but will tell a starter that a .270 will do anything needed, IF you learn to shoot
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