Home Forums Hunting & Shooting AR and Tactical Rifles Why do folks hate Windham so much?

Just curious. Whenever they're mentioned on most forums folks really do not like them. Just some guys that left Bushmaster to start a new company ... why is that bad. Seriously don't know the story .... is there products or history?

Thanks!
-g

IME the folks who don't like Windham are the guys who never like Bushmaster and the dislike just carried over.

Don't know why people get so upset at other peoples purchases. Looks like they make a decent rifle for the money.
Some people think rifles can't fire unless they have milspec this and milspec that.

After what Remington did to Marlin, and Bushmaster I would not own a new Bushmaster, DPMS, Remington or any of the other Cerebus junk. If I didn't build my own AR I would buy a Windham.

No reason that I'm aware of.

Lets face it. Todays CNC stuff... there isn't much brand wise that isn't a copy of all the rest.

Of course if I had to put my life on the line with one, IE LEO or MIL and had a choice, I might do a lot more research, just to see what the odds where, but of all brands my wife and I have run over the years, from Colt to the cheapest EA, every last one is still up and running just fine.

In fact it was teh colt that had the loosest trigger/hammer pin holes and teh USMC swaged and.... grrr.... knurled my lower/pins to solve the problem.

Windham was formed by Bushmaster employees and executives who did not want to move to NY after Remington bought the company.

George

Most here are very aware of that fact......can't blame them.

I would rather die than live and work in the North East region of this great country

I own two Smith & Wesson M&P 15s, a TS and a MOE and I own two Noveske carbines.

The only reason I never considered a Windham is because literally ALL of their various models feature 1-9" twist barrels. I just didn't see the need to buy a rifle that might be marginal with the heavier 5.56 bullets.

I realize my Noveskes with their 1-7" is maybe a little crazy, but they both shoot the 77-grain Hornady bullets REALLY, REALLY well and, believe it or not, 40-grain Nosler Ballistic Tips shoot five-shot groups consistently under one-inch.

Maybe the 1-9" will shoot the heavys well .... but I know for a fact that my 1-7s ABSOLUTELY DO.

Ain't worth spending the money on Windham and taking the chance.

I'd take a full 7 twist over anything else for almost all applications personally.

But lots of folks like and use 9s and rarely ever shoot more than around 70 grains...

I like Windham and own two. Also know a few guys that work there. Like any other business when you sell out you have a no compete clause. Once the clause was fulfilled the former owner was asked by several former employees and some other insiders to start up a (new) company Windham. I don't see what there isn't to like about their products.

Rost,

Still, folks like you and I would like to have the heavy bullet option.

I see two reasons.

Bushmaster sucked and people are afraid Windham will be more of the same.

Also, with companies like Colt and BCM providing known quality products for just over a grand, why take a chance on a product that hasn't proven itself yet?

I haven't heard of any good or bad reports coming out of serious training classes. For Windham anyway. Haven't heard any good reports from the same crowd about Bushmaster. So people probably make the correlation.

If it were my money, I'd not buy a Windham until I see some serious testing of one from multiple sources. Don't know what one goes for, but can't be much less than a known quality product

Why does anyone still roll out the 1x9 twist on ARs? All of my fast twisted barrels have handled light bullets just fine. Is it more expensive/difficult to put a 1x7 or 1x8 on a barrel?

I own a windham ar15 and it shoots every cheap roind i can buy into pretty tight groups, but it shoots 68 grain factory match loads the best

Never heard of Windham, I only thought everyone hated Olympia AR's.

Gunner

I bought a bush back in the first AWB, no flashhider and the barrel was not installed properly, the rear sight had to be run all the way to the right to get on paper at 25.

they should have pick a better name for their product and spent more money on marketing . In today business world perception and marketing makes all the difference . The average person who buys a AR only goes by what info his buddy has giving him or a magazine add . The reason the big brands names are the first choice for first time buyers is their exhaustive marketing adds .

How many sucky bushmasters have you owned over the years and what were their problems?

mule-headed stubbornness?

Because most folks don't shoot 75 or heavier is my pure guess.

And I think thats backed up quite well by the simple answer to this question.

At Walmart, Academy, etc... how many boxes of 223 ammo do you find with anything heavier than a 69 in it on the shelves?