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Local Sheriffs Dept. runs Windhams, armorer factory trained and reports no issues. They leave lots of nice brass at the range, too.
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If you shoot a rifle like a Bushmaster or Windham hard, in enough numbers to generate meaningful data points, you'll find that they fail much sooner than finer rifles, like Colt, Noveske, etc. I've seen this time and again when sharing the range with others at shooting classes.
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I hunt with my AR's so I have 1-7 twisted guns and shoot 75 grain Swift bonded bullets. I have not shot as much this year as last as it been raining all the time but in general XM193 will shoot in 1-9 or faster and all about the same accuracy, handloads in 40 grain-75 grain in all my guns can shoot MOA or better even with chromed lined barrels, I had a bush would not do that again, all of the hobby guns are 1-9 I think.
I admit prejudice and won't buy a bush, RRA, Olympic, CORE, S&W, PSA, Whindham, nor even an over priced Noveske with a cheap FN barrel. I have no need for a larger caliber AR in Georgia, and heavy 22 bullets are deadly, then the next day I can buy 1000 practice rounds for $500 and dozens of magazines that fit it.
You can talk yourself into anything, let your wallet be your guide, for the money and Resale value your better off spending $1100 on a Colt than a Windham.
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I hunt with my AR's so I have 1-7 twisted guns and shoot 75 grain Swift bonded bullets. I have not shot as much this year as last as it been raining all the time but in general XM193 will shoot in 1-9 or faster and all about the same accuracy, handloads in 40 grain-75 grain in all my guns can shoot MOA or better even with chromed lined barrels, I had a bush would not do that again, all of the hobby guns are 1-9 I think.
I admit prejudice and won't buy a bush, RRA, Olympic, CORE, S&W, PSA, Whindham, nor even an over priced Noveske with a cheap FN barrel. I have no need for a larger caliber AR in Georgia, and heavy 22 bullets are deadly, then the next day I can buy 1000 practice rounds for $500 and dozens of magazines that fit it.
You can talk yourself into anything, let your wallet be your guide, for the money and Resale value your better off spending $1100 on a Colt than a Windham. The only colt you're going to get for $1100 is a broken or worn out one. I'll put my $850 LAR-15 up against any Colt. I'd have to do ALOT of shooting to wear out 2-3 RRA guns for the price of one Colt. 
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No colt anything in walmarts here and the only time thet were seen was on dealer shelves before Imperial Andy Cuomo outlawed them. 
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Cuomo is an asshat, no doubt about it. You folks got screwed over royally by him and his BS law. Sure hope it can be overturned some day. And I agree, I've got a 14 year old $750 Bushmaster that still shoots just fine.
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I hunt with my AR's so I have 1-7 twisted guns and shoot 75 grain Swift bonded bullets. I have not shot as much this year as last as it been raining all the time but in general XM193 will shoot in 1-9 or faster and all about the same accuracy, handloads in 40 grain-75 grain in all my guns can shoot MOA or better even with chromed lined barrels, I had a bush would not do that again, all of the hobby guns are 1-9 I think.
I admit prejudice and won't buy a bush, RRA, Olympic, CORE, S&W, PSA, Whindham, nor even an over priced Noveske with a cheap FN barrel. I have no need for a larger caliber AR in Georgia, and heavy 22 bullets are deadly, then the next day I can buy 1000 practice rounds for $500 and dozens of magazines that fit it.
You can talk yourself into anything, let your wallet be your guide, for the money and Resale value your better off spending $1100 on a Colt than a Windham. The only colt you're going to get for $1100 is a broken or worn out one. I'll put my $850 LAR-15 up against any Colt. I'd have to do ALOT of shooting to wear out 2-3 RRA guns for the price of one Colt. There's a lot of wrong in that post.
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I now understand your frustration with you living in NY. Here in GA with $1154.34 you can walk out of Walmart with a brand new 6920 any day, every day. I would not turn down a free RRA or bushmaster but I would sell it for $500 if I got a free one, I would not want to cheat anyone by selling one for more than it was worth.
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When the cheap guns hit $1000 it made it a no brainer to go Colt for an extra hundred.
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When the cheap guns hit $1000 it made it a no brainer to go Colt for an extra hundred.
Personally, considering the labor and taxes involved in making a colt rifle, I'd be really leary of buying a cheap $1000 colt. They had to do some serious cost cutting somewhere to pay all those overpaid employess and still make the gun for that cost.
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When the cheap guns hit $1000 it made it a no brainer to go Colt for an extra hundred.
Personally, considering the labor and taxes involved in making a colt rifle, I'd be really leary of buying a cheap $1000 colt. They had to do some serious cost cutting somewhere to pay all those overpaid employess and still make the gun for that cost. Maybe all these years Colt was just overcharging for their guns and you were paying a premium for the name?
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When the cheap guns hit $1000 it made it a no brainer to go Colt for an extra hundred.
Personally, considering the labor and taxes involved in making a colt rifle, I'd be really leary of buying a cheap $1000 colt. They had to do some serious cost cutting somewhere to pay all those overpaid employess and still make the gun for that cost. You realize that they're all the same rifle right? If you pay $1100 at Wal-Mart or $1600 at a gunshop, they're not any different except for the price.
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Actually that might not be the total truth with Walmart and pricing.
i know they cheapen a few small tihngs like plastic safetys and such on some guns, just so wally can sell it a bit cheaper.
No clue at all if anything done with the colt though. may or may not be
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You guys know that LE pricing has always been around $900 for a Colt? And the MIL pricing was under $800?
Dealer cost is basicly the same but not all dealers are Colt dealers. Colt has never been overpriced to dealers but the low numbers out there drove the price up in years past. If it was made by Colt Defense, it's the same mil spec gun sold to LE.
Don't blame your dealers high prices on Colt.
Now there is a company in Texas who is making a licensed Colt gun cheap but the 6920 is the same if from Walmart or straight from Colt.
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I did forget about Colt Manufacturing, they are the ones who produced the Match Target guns during the ban. They ran about $900 over the counter and of course had all the politicly correct features. They did scrimp on those, I remember a plastic buffer and no chrome lining. Oh and a plastic butt plate on the A2 stocks.
But I saw more of those guns that would shoot 1/2 MOA than I would've ever expected. And they were not target guns by any means, they just had good non chrome lined barrels.
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The Colt licensed ARs made in Texas are clearly marked Colt Competition Rifles and Bold Ideas.
FWIW.
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Personally, considering the labor and taxes involved in making a colt rifle, I'd be really leary of buying a cheap $1000 colt. They had to do some serious cost cutting somewhere to pay all those overpaid employess and still make the gun for that cost.
They did in their 6920. They used a non-certified barrel steel which isn't the same composition as called for in an actual M4 and then skipped the HPT and MPI. Then combine that barrel with a non-standardized gas port. They use a cheaper to manufacture receiver extension of unspecified material composition on it. They skip properly staking the gas key and the receiver extension nut where they instead use loctite. They install a regular carbine buffer to go with a generous gas port. They use a bolt of unspecified material composition and then skip the HPT and MPI on it. It can be hit and miss on which extractor spring and buffer are installed too. Oh wait..... 
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I think its time to buy another Colt 6720.
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