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just completed my first "scooped" box of ammo. did 100 .223's in about 20 minutes. way easier than weighing every charge like i have for the last 7 years since i started loading.
it's also nice to find a scoop that you CAN'T overfill. the lee scoop set comes with one that will not hold more than 27 grains, which is still not quite max for varget and a 50 grain bullet, which i was loading.
i am going to see how they perform. i mean, i know from working up loads that a half grain can sometimes tighten up a group, so it will be interesting to see how accurate it is with varying weights.
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I use Lee dippers for most of my varmint loading. Some dippers I level off with a razor blade to get the weight I want. You would be hard pressed to make it vary by more than half a grain. Two or three tenths of a grain is my usual range of variance.
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While I don't scoop, I also don't weigh. Just dump from the thrower.
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While I don't scoop, I also don't weigh. Just dump from the thrower. That's how I roll too.
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Some Bench rest shooters scoop instead of weighing. It does not vary with humidity/moisture content of the powder.
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some I weigh each charge, for most of my .223 for the AR and all the pistol ammo I load it's from the thrower. I usually weigh thrown charges at intervals to check if I'm still on, probably more for peace of mind than anything.
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Yet another reason not to be a bench rest shooter.
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To each his own! Some bench rests I like. Sand bags-not so much. Bags filled with Corn, I can digest if cooked correctly.
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As long as you are consistent in how you throw it's all good
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weigh stick powders, throw ball. But also weigh & sort cases...
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As long as you are consistent in how you throw it's all good Agreed.
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well i checked every so often. got lowest reading at 24.8 and highest at 27.1, so i am obviously not good at this yet
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Not all powder measures are created equally. And most do not repeat for beans. In the short range bench rest game, thrown charges do well. some weigh charges, some don't. Out to say 300 yards, a tenth of a grain plus or minus won't be seen. Now when you start getting way out there, weighed charges are best. The 600 and 1000 yard shooters weigh everything.
Get a Culver type powder measure and you have a very good way of dumping powder. The clicks are positive and repeatable.
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Some Bench rest shooters scoop instead of weighing. It does not vary with humidity/moisture content of the powder. In twenty years of competitive bench rest shooting I never saw a single person using a scoop. When I first started the vast majority used thrown charges from a custom measure such as a Lyman Ideal with a Culver modification or several different variants of the Culver. It was widely used because shooters exchange load data by using 'clicks' instead of grains. In the last few years of my shooting the RCBS Chargemaster was widely used. We would normally load 7-15 rounds between matches so the Chargemaster weighed charges plenty fast. I still use mine simply because I no longer shoot huge amounts at a time.
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well i checked every so often. got lowest reading at 24.8 and highest at 27.1, so i am obviously not good at this yet Probably the best way to use a scoop is to press it down in the powder and let the powder overflow the cup in stead of scooping the powder.
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well i checked every so often. got lowest reading at 24.8 and highest at 27.1, so i am obviously not good at this yet Probably the best way to use a scoop is to press it down in the powder and let the powder overflow the cup in stead of scooping the powder. I'm like MJB, I tried one of them thrower thingys, but the results werent consistent. So, I scoop the powder from a cup (with a lee scoop) and pour it into the scale pan. I weigh every charge. Its slow, but accurate, and gives me something to do on a rainy day.
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While I don't scoop, I also don't weigh. Just dump from the thrower. That's how I roll too. I never knew there was another way. Travis
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In the short range bench rest game, thrown charges do well. some weigh charges, some don't. Out to say 300 yards, a tenth of a grain plus or minus won't be seen. Now when you start getting way out there, weighed charges are best. The 600 and 1000 yard shooters weigh everything. Be careful with that Wayne. I'm sure the rifle cognoscenti will be along shortly to tell you that you are FOS, because they once shot at a house sized rock at a 1000yd, and hit it, with a thrown charge. Rancho will be along to ask you how many B&C bucks you've killed with weighed charges, none means you're an idiot. The correct reply to Rancho is to ask him how many people he's killed with thrown charges, as that is equally pertinent, and, most importantly, creates instant and acute apoplexy on his part.
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I'll throw 50 and weigh one at the end of each row in the loading block. 10% sample, good to go
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I'll throw 50 and weigh one at the end of each row in the loading block. 10% sample, good to go This is what I do also.
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