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The short necked 300 win mag is a nuisance too...  Man, I've been handloading the 300 WM for a LOT OF YEARS. The neck, short or not IS NOT a single problem.  Can't understand attitudes towards 300 WM or belted cases??? 
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Neither can I regarding the 300 Win and a belted case.
As for the dislike part the 303 Brit sucks
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Can't understand attitudes towards 300 WM or belted cases??? What I dislike about belted cases isn't the belt. It's the typical slop in the shoulder region between case and chamber the first go round.
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Would you point a 308 Win at anything you would not point a 260 Rem at? For sure....I wouldn't hunt elk, moose, or even bears with the .260. yet the Scandinavians have been hunting moose with its ballistic twin for a century.....the 6.5x55 is still very popular for noose hunting.....
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Sometimes we dislike stuff for reasons not directly associated with the product. For example, Schmidt and Bender scopes for me. Would not have one. The first guy I ever knew that had a battery all topped with those excellent scopes was a 18 carat jerk. I'm not talking plated, I mean solid. I would call him a prick, except that is part of a man. If owning an S&B affects one that way, I want no part of them.
Now then there are lots of chamberings that I have no desire to own, but I do not hate any of them, I just ignore their existence. Fot me, the admittedly great .375 H&H falls into that category. ( Sorry if I stepped on your Johnson.). I just have no rational use for one. I have owned well over a dozen of them. Many were when I was jockeying guns to pay for kids' college. I shot a lot of them and most were shooters. As a lot, they are too heavy to tote around for my hunting needs, too much recoil, and way over powered. I finally stopped buying them, except for profit.
If I were a grizzly or brown bear guide, I would have one. If I ever make Africa, I will either rent one or buy one, then sell upon my return. Today I just have no "need"' (a nasty four letter word) for one.
As I start on the downward slope of life, I have to ask, "Why is it that kids, women, and old farts can kill stuff with smaller, less powerful cartridges than men in the prime of life can?" Just my thoughts. Jack
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Sometimes we dislike stuff for reasons not directly associated with the product. For example, Schmidt and Bender scopes for me. Would not have one. The first guy I ever knew that had a battery all topped with those excellent scopes was a 18 carat jerk. I'm not talking plated, I mean solid. I would call him a prick, except that is part of a man. If owning an S&B affects one that way, I want no part of them.
Now then there are lots of chamberings that I have no desire to own, but I do not hate any of them, I just ignore their existence. Fot me, the admittedly great .375 H&H falls into that category. ( Sorry if I stepped on your Johnson.). I just have no rational use for one. I have owned well over a dozen of them. Many were when I was jockeying guns to pay for kids' college. I shot a lot of them and most were shooters. As a lot, they are too heavy to tote around for my hunting needs, too much recoil, and way over powered. I finally stopped buying them, except for profit.
If I were a grizzly or brown bear guide, I would have one. If I ever make Africa, I will either rent one or buy one, then sell upon my return. Today I just have no "need"' (a nasty four letter word) for one.
As I start on the downward slope of life, I have to ask, "Why is it that kids, women, and old farts can kill stuff with smaller, less powerful cartridges than men in the prime of life can?" Just my thoughts. Jack Jack, you are absolutely correct. My hate for the 300 win mag stems from the short neck and years of trying to deal with inadequaete neck tension. I researched this and it seemed to be a comon issue so I chalked it up as that. Then when It really started to bother me because bullet set back was terrible in the unnecessarily heavy kicker (my 338 doesn't kick as hard), I decided to contact RCBS. Problem was solved when they sent me a new sizer die but the taste in my mouth was still there. To me, Winchester dropped the ball and let Norma step in and produce what should have been the "300 win mag", it recoils more than any 338 win mag and it just looks stupid with it's short neck. Now on to the belt conundrum: I've loaded and shot thousands of rounds of belted magnum cases and I don't have a problem with them. They simply work and to not like a case because it has a belt on it is asinine.... However, we do all have our quirks and differing tastes and have a right to our own damn opinion 
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Would you point a 308 Win at anything you would not point a 260 Rem at? For sure....I wouldn't hunt elk, moose, or even bears with the .260. yet the Scandinavians have been hunting moose with its ballistic twin for a century.....the 6.5x55 is still very popular for noose hunting..... Swamp wisdom from someone who has stated a 7mm-08 won't kill Florida whitetails. DF
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I think I am in need of some serious help as even after wasting too much time reading all these sage comments, I still can't think of even one cartridge that I dislike.
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Me too BB, if it goes BOOM, crack, pop or BLAAMMMMM, I like it. Gunner
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I decided to contact RCBS. Problem was solved when they sent me a new sizer die...
HOW LONG did it take you to decide to talk to someone who knew something?? In your words, "several years". That's not the cartridges fault!
"300 win mag", it recoils more than any 338 win mag
I have had 4/5 300 WMs and NONE of them recoiled AS HARD as a Ruger 77 TANGER 338 WM.
To me, Winchester dropped the ball and let Norma step in and produce what should have been the "300 win mag",
I'd say that Winchester knew MORE than you BECAUSE, Which cartridge is OBSOLETE or nearly so AND which cartridge is among the TOP selling magnums, even today??
They simply work and to not like a case because it has a belt on it is asinine.... AS IS to HATE a cartridge because it has a short neck! IMO. NOW AS TO the 300 WM being "useless", your word not mine. How useless did this 194 lb. buck feel it was? ![[Linked Image]](http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l591/kleingunther/photo-15.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l591/kleingunther/photo-13.jpg) OR this 6 Pt w/17 1/2" inside spread AT 389 YDS? ![[Linked Image]](http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l591/kleingunther/photo-9.jpg) I have more pics and examples but.... Yes indeed, we ALL have a right to have our own opinions..... but they are more accurate opinions when founded upon facts. Someone else didn't think 'facts' were important either in this thread,
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Not nearly as experienced with all the calibers that you guys are. So I enjoyed some of the choices of dislikes. I personally love my 243, and have killed many deer with it with no issues or lost deer. Probably close to 20 deer at this point plus lots of coyote. I bought a 7mm rum at 18 from a friend who needed money. God it kicked like a beast. Plus ammo was hard to find and expensive. Shot 2 deer at around 100 yards and had to track a long ways to find. Both were hit good but had pencil holes in them. Sold the gun and bought the 243. For me a great learning experience about what is too much gun for deer in my area . Growing up I hunted with a winchester 94 in 307win. Love that gun and caliber for deer in the woods. Ammo is hard to find though. Which is why I like to have calibers I can find at gun shops and sporting goods stores in my area to hunt with. You forget ammo at home on a trip and you can always find it so you can hunt. One mans junk is another mans treasure in the end.
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IIRC, late '70s. Winchester had come out with the extra, a fairly nice version of the push feed 70. I got one in .300 WM. A buddy and I went to the range with a bunch of guns. The range owner suggested I try my hand at a plate steel turkey, hanging by chains at 400 meters. After a few shots with the .300, I pulled one and cut the chain. Owner fixed it and upon returning, suggested a more moderate round. I responded that I liked thumpers, not understanding what he was trying to gently tell me.
After a bit, I broke the chain again. My buddy said that he would go fix it if I would do something to one of his guns while he was gone. Deal. When buddy returned he said that what the owner was trying to tell me was that I was shooting his heavy plate steel turkey full of HOLES. Seems that it had punch on both ends.
The range owner was not too fond of the .300 WM. jack
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Kevin - Welcome to the fire. I have a friend here that's from Sevierville. I've not owned nor shot the 7 Rum. The 7 RM suits me just fine. BTW, it has a short neck too. Jerry
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jt - I bet the range owner wasn't too fond of the 300. My first 300 WM was a Ruger 77. I shot a thick metal plate with it. Although it didn't make holes plum thru, each shot looked like a sombrero. They almost made it completely thru and the HEAT made a discoloration circle around the holes. I intended to keep that plate but somewhere along the way I lost it.
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I decided to contact RCBS. Problem was solved when they sent me a new sizer die...
HOW LONG did it take you to decide to talk to someone who knew something?? In your words, "several years". That's not the cartridges fault!
"300 win mag", it recoils more than any 338 win mag
I have had 4/5 300 WMs and NONE of them recoiled AS HARD as a Ruger 77 TANGER 338 WM.
To me, Winchester dropped the ball and let Norma step in and produce what should have been the "300 win mag",
I'd say that Winchester knew MORE than you BECAUSE, Which cartridge is OBSOLETE or nearly so AND which cartridge is among the TOP selling magnums, even today??
They simply work and to not like a case because it has a belt on it is asinine.... AS IS to HATE a cartridge because it has a short neck! IMO. NOW AS TO the 300 WM being "useless", your word not mine. How useless did this 194 lb. buck feel it was? OR this 6 Pt w/17 1/2" inside spread AT 389 YDS? I have more pics and examples but.... Yes indeed, we ALL have a right to have our own opinions..... but they are more accurate opinions when founded upon facts. Someone else didn't think 'facts' were important either in this thread, You sure good at being a cry baby aren't you. Man up dude, it's only a pos short necked cartridge..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I dislike the .30-30. Blunt bullets with a rainbow trajectory in a rimmed case fired out of a short inaccurate lever action. Just because it will kill a deer, doesn't mean it's the best tool for the job. Then add in all the gunwriters from the early 80's saying how it killed more deer than every other cartridge combined was probably BS even back then. It just came across to me like all the old farts thought I should be using it just because they did at some point, even though they had all moved to .270's and .308's.
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Rednecks who hunt whitetails with a .300 Magnum.
Same with me, except most that I know use a 7 Mag. I love to hear of the idjuts that shoot deer at 500 yards with their Wally World Remmy 700 ADL with a 3-9 Tasco and see through mounts, using Cor Lokt ammo. When you ask how high they held, they always say "dead on".
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Ssssssshhhhhhh! My .30-30 may hear you and quit killing deer. The .30-30 is the ideal deer rifle in the N.C. mountians where I hunt.
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Any cartridge (or rifle for that matter) with the word "Savage" involved. You couldn't give me one
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