Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire JESSICA LYNCH: I WAS RAPED

Edited This is very true, and real for everyone.

watch4bear, and other like thinking individuals, think about this for a minute before replying.

I spent close to 4 years in the middle east and am familiar with things a little more than avaerage. I have combat service and have opinions like everyone else. Mine differ a lot from people who have never seen combat, never served, and know more because of the internet than because of life experience.

I have seen big bad-assed men fail miserably when under fire. I've seen them crying like a little bitch. I've seen people who froze up, and have seen some of the most unlikey turn into ass kicking machines. It is each person unto thier own when the chips are down. And yes that includes women.

Women in the military and in combat will not go away. I do think they should be treated equally at every step of training in order to give them an equal chance in combat. They will after all face the same situation as men when in combat. There will be no reprieve for them. They will have a higher wash-out rate than men but that should prevent them from having a higher percentage of the casualties on the other end. I've seen both functional and non-functional women. If that meens one of every 100 fine. When they know what they will face is equal to the men there will be far fewer trying for that MOS. I'd have them train together from dawn to dusk. Humility may become an issue but it wouldn't take long for the cream to rise to the top. Even if it is but one. Done correctly I would be able to count on that one having my back. That isn't how it is now. Unfortunatly I've had men with me that shouldn't have made it through basic either. It's a tuff world, reality should be ok to dole out as needed.

By the way, one of the best snipers I worked with was an Israeli woman.

If you paint all with the same brush you're either an ignorant fck with no experience, or an internet expert.

I'm aware of that and don't disagree. Everything I posted was true and didn't speak to what you are talking about here.

I agree completely.

When enough women get killed and mutilated then the public will demand a change until then, just live with it. Maybe the enemy will be confused when they capture enough Gay Soldiers and then sodomize them and they look around with a smile on their faces and ask them to do it again

That is exactly what my son said.

Thanks for your service.

Paul

Plus one.

The Dune Coons are not averse to raping men whether they are gay or not, that is for sure, so Jessica didn't endure things that some men haven't had to on that score either.

It seems this situation should speak to the power of prayer to protect her.

Jim

Contrary to popular belief there is no power in prayer. The power resides with God Whom most people in this country pray to. He does what He sees fit to according to His own ways. Every knee shall bend...

Nope, not saying that at all. Audy Murphy was all of 5'3" tall. It is the introduction of the cultural and biologic dynamics females bring into a group or social entity. EVERYTHING changes. As far as the physical goes, those standards, along with verbal "hazing" and psychological weeding out men went through as part of the "culling" process, all had to be downscaled in order for even 1% of females to make it through. Nature and life have a way of balancing out and believe me, had women had something to offer in order to turn the course of battle, the likes of Tsun Tzu & Clausewitz (to name just two) would have included them in their calculus. Nope, they need to stay home and away from ANY of the Marshall professions.

"Internet expert" here. I also worked on a PSD detail in Iraq. As a retired 18D, I was considered handy to have around but I was hired as a shooter. The company that I worked for did not hire medics, we were a sub-contractor. Our parent org hired the medics. Some dumbshidt decided to hire a female paramedic. Of course, no one wanted her lard ass, so they stuck her on my team, since they knew I could carry her slack azz.

Two weeks after she got there, the team ldr and one other team member were near fisticuffs over who was gonna pork her. Bad juju all around.

Do you think SFQC and Ranger should be open to females? Yes or no.

Nothing in my posts spoke to that. My posts were only about objective aspects of females serving and by and large I don't think they should, as I stated.

lmao

I will happily defer to your judgment on that issue. I've always been opposed to women piloting combat aircraft for the same reason as women in infantry combat, but I assumed the gender differences were not as great when it came to flying. I am happy to be wrong on that issue.

Jordan

Nailed it. (Not the female soldier; nailed the issue).

Name call is a poor excuse for argument Calvin. No one is disputing Lynch's suffering or sacrifice. That is not the issue. The issue is whether she should have been there in the first place.

Seals and Special Forces for women? No and Hell no!!

To many who voted to put women on the front line must have watched the movie GI Jane before voting.

I won't ever advocate for putting women in combat. It does complicate everything but the equal opportunity thing won't go away.

What I'm saying is put the standards back to what they were. I think the mental abuse, physical abuse, and rough treatment is but a taste of what dealing with combat is. Treat EVERY candidate equally. The weak in mind and body will fall out. It works. If the confidence course can't be passed then they won't be able to handle climbing a mud wall either. Should a woman desire combat she would have the opportunity before her as any male would have. If she made it through the training with equal treatment she would be as reliable as any male.

Nobody knows how they'll react to things they've not experienced. Explosions, IED's, shellings, sniper fire, death, blown off limbs, etc. all have an effect.

I'm ok with equal treatment, equal standards for all. I'm not ok with special treatment so they can "pass the course".

There are women that would make it I think. Not many but some.

bea175 - GI Jane! LOL!

Which isn't the point at all. The US military is not a goddam Outward [bleep] Bound program. It exists to "protect and defend". EVERYWHERE that females exist in military units they cause more [bleep] problems than they are worth. Hardship duty assignments exacerbate this. Ask any 1st Sgt of a medical company.