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My 270 WSM makes me consider becoming a one gun guy every time I shoot something with it. Mine shoots 140 Accubonds into nice little groups and makes a great all around gun in a fairly light/short platform.
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Mine too! It tends to shoot most weights fairly close together also.
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My .270 WSM pushes 130 gr. Nosler E-Tips along at 3350 fps- fast, accurate, and easy to load. Nothing not to like here. Clocked more than one 270win thru a chrony at 3150+ fps with 130gr Ballistic tips.  There honestly is no advantage to the WSM over the veteren 270. there are more negatives with the WSM than positives.  I'm curious how 200fps isn't an advantage. Tanner Ditto. 7 mag guys [bleep] in their pants over 150 FPS difference between it and 280. But the 270 WSM is a piece of chit, no better than a plain old 270...
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I hear the 7mm guys wear a beret when hunting to match their European counterparts.
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I have a 1961 model 70 fwt in 270 win and a new haven mod 70 fwt in 270 wsm. I'm shooting 129 lrx's at 3300 fps out of the wsm and 130 tsx's out of the 270 win at 3050 fps. Both are extremely accurate and I love them both. I would keep it.
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I have a Weatherby Vanguard Sub MOA in 270 WSM. I shoot Hornady 140 gr. SST's at 3175 fps. I'm very impressed with it's performance on whitetail deer at 200-250yds so far. I've also used 130 gr Nosler BT's and 140 gr Hornady Interlocks. They all work well in the rifle but it seems to prefer the 140's.
I'd keep your 270 WSM and shoot it till you get tired of it...you may not.
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trade it.
A properly loaded 270 winchester will be within 100-150fps of the 270WSM. No deer or elk at any range will EVER know the difference. WSM ammo is EXPENSIVE and MUCH harder to find, cases are harder to get, and the guns don't feed and function nearly as well as a standard chambered gun does.
With the on going ammo issues, it may not be too long before ammo and brass for all the WSM become a once a year production item. You mention handloaded 270W getting within 100fps? If you want to run the ragged edge and think there is some sort of free lunch then have at it. As well, you complain about factory ammo costs in the same post? Makes no sense. A handloader couldn't give a schit less about the cost of factory ammo. Have you owned a Winchester in WSM? If not, then I think your unqualified internet research of the rounds not chambering well is just plain BS. One thing this "ammo issue", as you put it, has taught me is to not have all my eggs in the popular chamberings category. You walk into Wally World and the shelves are bare of 308, 223, etc but there always seems to be a WSM, WM or other not-so-popular loading available. Serious face palm. check any reloading manual, and you will see there is hardly enough difference to warrant the extra cost of the WSM. don't know where you live, but the only place you can get any WSM ammo is a gun shop around here. 270 and 30-06 have always been on the Walmart/ dicks shelves. run the numbers thru a ballistic program. top speed from a 270WSM with a 130gr hornady SST and a BC of 460 , 3200fps using between 65.6grs and 69.1 grs of three different powders top speed from 270 win with the same bullet, 3100fh 4 different powders ranging from 59.4-62.0grs Noslers #4 list 3100+ for top speed in the 270win Hodgdons 2011 annual list 3273fps the top speed for the WSM and a 130gr Hornady SP same bullet from the 270 win reaches 3085fps Lymann #49 list the WSM with a top velocity of 3302fps with the 130gr speer GSSP. the 130gr Sierra gameking gets 3173fps from the 270 when using the hornady data, the 270WSM has a MPBR of 351yds when shooting at an 8" target the 270win has a MPBR of 341yds. Does that sound like a BFD? a 10yd difference warrants the added expense and hassle of the WSM? get a clue. I've been reloading for over 30 yrs and been doing about 50 different calibers at various times. I speak from experience.
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How fast can you shoot 165 Matrixes through a 270 Win? I pushed them around 3,000 out of a WSM, with a lot of breathing room.
You can quote all the book bullshit you want, but if you're only seeing 100fps difference between the 2, you're loading one to the gills, and leaving a lot on the table with the other.
I've owned and shot both. I agree with you that the practical, "in the field" differences are pretty minimal. But to discount the WSM as having "no advantage" over the Winchester case makes very little sense.
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At the end of the day I suppose it is a difference in philosophy. If I meet a couple girls that are ready to rock I'm not looking to get rid of one of them, I'll take them both. It doesn't need to be one or the other. It isn't too much extra "work" to take care of them both......YMMV
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trade it.
A properly loaded 270 winchester will be within 100-150fps of the 270WSM. No deer or elk at any range will EVER know the difference. WSM ammo is EXPENSIVE and MUCH harder to find, cases are harder to get, and the guns don't feed and function nearly as well as a standard chambered gun does.
With the on going ammo issues, it may not be too long before ammo and brass for all the WSM become a once a year production item. You mention handloaded 270W getting within 100fps? If you want to run the ragged edge and think there is some sort of free lunch then have at it. As well, you complain about factory ammo costs in the same post? Makes no sense. A handloader couldn't give a schit less about the cost of factory ammo. Have you owned a Winchester in WSM? If not, then I think your unqualified internet research of the rounds not chambering well is just plain BS. One thing this "ammo issue", as you put it, has taught me is to not have all my eggs in the popular chamberings category. You walk into Wally World and the shelves are bare of 308, 223, etc but there always seems to be a WSM, WM or other not-so-popular loading available. Serious face palm. check any reloading manual, and you will see there is hardly enough difference to warrant the extra cost of the WSM. don't know where you live, but the only place you can get any WSM ammo is a gun shop around here. 270 and 30-06 have always been on the Walmart/ dicks shelves. run the numbers thru a ballistic program. top speed from a 270WSM with a 130gr hornady SST and a BC of 460 , 3200fps using between 65.6grs and 69.1 grs of three different powders top speed from 270 win with the same bullet, 3100fh 4 different powders ranging from 59.4-62.0grs Noslers #4 list 3100+ for top speed in the 270win Hodgdons 2011 annual list 3273fps the top speed for the WSM and a 130gr Hornady SP same bullet from the 270 win reaches 3085fps Lymann #49 list the WSM with a top velocity of 3302fps with the 130gr speer GSSP. the 130gr Sierra gameking gets 3173fps from the 270 when using the hornady data, the 270WSM has a MPBR of 351yds when shooting at an 8" target the 270win has a MPBR of 341yds. Does that sound like a BFD? a 10yd difference warrants the added expense and hassle of the WSM? get a clue. I've been reloading for over 30 yrs and been doing about 50 different calibers at various times. I speak from experience. Who cares? been reloading longer, own both, keep the wsm.
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I've been reloading for over 30 yrs and been doing about 50 different calibers at various times. I speak from experience. Perhaps I missed it, but how much experience do you have running a .270 WSM?
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If you like the rifle, keep it. Chambering is secondary IMO.
It has better ballistics than any of the other cartridges you listed. IF that is important to you.
I would happily use any of the cartridges you listed, plus the WSM hunting as long as I liked the rifle.
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If you like the rifle, keep it. Chambering is secondary IMO.
It has better ballistics than any of the other cartridges you listed. IF that is important to you.
I would happily use any of the cartridges you listed, plus the WSM hunting as long as I liked the rifle. +1 Good Advice
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If you like your rifle, you can keep it- Period.
If you like the ammunition you shoot through your rifle, you can also keep it-Period.
Oh, wait- if you like your rifle, you can keep it, as long as it was made before the .270 WSM, and is not considered by 24HC to be an inferior rifle. If your rifle is cancelled, you will have the opportunity to buy a better rifle, at a lower price, under this plan.
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How fast can you shoot 165 Matrixes through a 270 Win? I pushed them around 3,000 out of a WSM, with a lot of breathing room.
You can quote all the book bullshit you want, but if you're only seeing 100fps difference between the 2, you're loading one to the gills, and leaving a lot on the table with the other.
I've owned and shot both. I agree with you that the practical, "in the field" differences are pretty minimal. But to discount the WSM as having "no advantage" over the Winchester case makes very little sense.
Tanner +1
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I shoot 130's out of my 22" .270 at 3,050 fps and 130's out of my 24" WSM at 3,265 fps I can push both barrels faster but that is where the accuracy is.
Nothing earth shattering but faster is faster.
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I also own both.
My 270 WSM is a Sako 75 with 24 inch barrel. It will run 130's 3250ish with both IMR4350 or RL17 with published load data. I have never gotten to 3300 fps with it with any published load data. It will also run 140's almost the exact same speed with published load data.
My 270 Win is Sako 85 with 22 7/16 inch barrel. With 60 grains of H4831 and 130 grain Accubond or BT it runs about 2970ish fps.
I know a lot of guys claim a lot more speed with the 270 win but mine wont do it with H4831.
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DINK,
You have a famed "slow" barrel on you 85.
My go to testing loads for any new 270 I buy is 60gr H4831 over a 130gr Hornady Interlock, GMX or Barnes TSX/TTSX.
I had 22" Rem Mountain Rifle circa 1991 that would shoot the famed 60gr H4831 load in the low 2800's. Never knew that until I bought a chronograph. All the deer/antelope/elk did not seem to notice. I shot that barrel out and it's replacement is right up there where it should be.
Every 270 I have acquired since then will run those loads from the high 2900's to 3100's depending on barrel length and chamber differences. That is , when I bother to chrono the loads. Most of the time I find the load that shoots the best and go hunting.
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I had to add it up and I've been reloading for 31 years. I say its a fine cartridge and you should keep it. Did I mention that 31 years is more than 30? Oh....and I almost forgot to say...I speak from experience. Does never shooting one count? I almost bought one last year but someone beat me to it.
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Does never shooting one count? I almost bought one last year but someone beat me to it. Sure it does. This is Da Innanet. Everybody's an expurt.
This is a shooting forum, there is no place here for logic.
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