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...next to the Ten Commandments statue at the State capitol.. [color:#3333FF]Link...![/color][/b] Satanists plan statue to stand alongside Ten Commandments in Oklahoma.In their zeal to tout their faith in the public square, conservatives in Oklahoma may have unwittingly opened the door to a wide range of religious groups, including Satanists who are seeking to put their own statue next to a Ten Commandments monument outside the statehouse. The Republican-controlled legislature in the state known as the buckle of the Bible Belt authorised the privately funded Ten Commandments monument in 2009. It was placed on the Capitol grounds last year despite criticism from legal experts, who questioned its constitutionality. The Oklahoma chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has filed a lawsuit seeking its removal. But the New York-based Satanic Temple saw an opportunity. It notified the state's Capitol Preservation Commission that it wants to donate a monument and plans to submit one of several possible designs this month, said Lucien Greaves, a spokesman for the temple. "We believe that all monuments should be in good taste and consistent with community standards," Greaves wrote in letter to state officials. "Our proposed monument, as an homage to the historic/literary Satan, will certainly abide by these guidelines." Greaves said one potential design involves a pentagram, a satanic symbol, while another is meant to be an interactive display for children. He said he expects the monument, if approved by Oklahoma officials, would cost about $20,000. The Republican state representative Mike Ritze, who spearheaded the push for the Ten Commandments monument and whose family helped pay the $10,000 for its construction, declined to comment on the Satanic Temple's effort, but Greaves credited Ritze for opening the door to his group's proposal. "He's helping a satanic agenda grow more than any of us possibly could," Greaves said. "You don't walk around and see too many satanic temples around, but when you open the door to public spaces for us, that's when you're going to see us." The Oklahoma legislature has taken other steps that many believe blur the line that divides church and state. The House speaker said he wants to build a chapel inside the Capitol to celebrate Oklahoma's "Judeo-Christian heritage". Several lawmakers have said they want to allow nativity scenes and other religious-themed symbols in public schools. The Republican representative Bobby Cleveland, who plans to introduce one such bill next year, said many Christians feel they are under attack as a result of political correctness. He dismissed the notion of Satanists erecting a monument at the Capitol. "I think these Satanists are a different group," Cleveland said. "You put them under the nut category." Brady Henderson, the legal director for ACLU Oklahoma, said if state officials allow one type of religious expression, they must allow alternative forms of expression, although he said a better solution might be to allow none at all on state property. "We would prefer to see Oklahoma's government officials work to faithfully serve our communities and improve the lives of Oklahomans instead of erecting granite monuments to show us all how righteous they are," Henderson said. "But if the Ten Commandments, with its overtly Christian message, is allowed to stay at the Capitol, the Satanic Temple's proposed monument cannot be rejected because of its different religious viewpoint." [b]I'm all for it as long as their Satan statue looks like the Jon Lovitz satan...
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This country was founded on Christian values, not satanic ones.
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Now just HOW did that satan statue get demolished last night?? Darn, we need to watch for these things better!
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This country was founded on Christian values, not satanic ones. That may not be true according to the resident expert on these matters. George Washington worshiped Satan.
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This country was founded on Christian values, not satanic ones. Oh yes very true but the sad part is this may happen with all this PC BS in the country anymore , how christian does our current comander and cheif seem ?
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I'm sorry, but some people just need the schit beat out of them.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
Just throwing this out there....If the government allows a statue to be placed on government land for Christianity, how can they not allow a statue to be placed for another religion?
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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I worship high country huckleberries. I look forward to the day I can erect a monument espousing the virtue of huckleberry worship.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
Just throwing this out there....If the government allows a statue to be placed on government land for Christianity, how can they not allow a statue to be placed for another religion? And to preempt the "The 10 Commandments are for Christians and we're Christians and we've always been Christians" argument.... The 10 Commandments were part of the Jewish law, not the Christian law. Unless you're keeping the Sabbath holy, the big ten AREN'T your religion.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Whew
For a minute I thought the Masons were gettin rowdy again
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
Just throwing this out there....If the government allows a statue to be placed on government land for Christianity, how can they not allow a statue to be placed for another religion? I'm sure you'll hear plenty of non-religious reasons why not, right here.
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This country was founded on Christian values, not satanic ones. That may not be true according to the resident expert on these matters. George Washington worshiped Satan. Show me where I said all members of Freemasonry worship Satan. I said that the secret society of Freemasonry did so, i.e., that was its purpose, i.e., to inculcate occult practices and beliefs into Christian society, disguised as Christian practices and beliefs, only gradually having their cloak removed as one advances through the higher levels.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
Just throwing this out there....If the government allows a statue to be placed on government land for Christianity, how can they not allow a statue to be placed for another religion? Too late... Christmas is a Federal Holiday and has been for decades. Just throwing that out there....
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Show me where I said all members of Freemasonry worship Satan. Does Masonry conflict with Christianity in any way.? Well, since they worship Satan, I'd say so, yes. There's a lodge just a few blocks from my home, and I pass it on my daily walks.
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Show me where I said all members of Freemasonry worship Satan. I said that the secret society of Freemasonry did so, i.e., that was its purpose, i.e., to inculcate occult practices and beliefs into Christian society, disguised as Christian practices and beliefs, only gradually having their cloak removed as one advances through the higher levels. Does Masonry conflict with Christianity in any way.? Well, since they worship Satan, I'd say so, yes. Page 1
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
Just throwing this out there....If the government allows a statue to be placed on government land for Christianity, how can they not allow a statue to be placed for another religion? Too late... Christmas is a Federal Holiday and has been for decades. Just throwing that out there.... Allowing people to take off work to do whatever they want isn't the same as promoting a particular religion by placing a statue of a particular religion on government property.
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Saturday i was up in prescott for the annual courthouse square christmas lighting ceremony. Been going on for over 60years. Real big attempts in recent years to shut it down because of religious connotations. Hasn't worked. I will have you know people en masse were singing christian christmas carols and songs all over the place ON COUNTY PROPERTY. And hopefully will for many more years. One of the songs was, LET IT SNOW! You guessed it, started snowing.
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tjm and dw, you can about bet some primordial boolean logic is being formulated.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
Just throwing this out there....If the government allows a statue to be placed on government land for Christianity, how can they not allow a statue to be placed for another religion? Too late... Christmas is a Federal Holiday and has been for decades. Just throwing that out there.... Allowing people to take off work to do whatever they want isn't the same as promoting a particular religion by placing a statue of a particular religion on government property. The government shuts down for the observance of Christmas, a Christian Holiday. It doesn't shut down for Hanukkah, Eid al-Fitr or Vesak. Trying to explain it away as comp time is a little humorous, but if that works for you run with it.
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