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You're going around your [bleep] to get to your elbow. It's a ballistics discussion; of course we are!
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I have a push feed M70 in 300 win Mag 24" bbl SAAMI std throat LA with mag factory blocked to 3.38 gets 3100 fps with 180 NPT's and RL-22 max doze, Nosler #6 and chrono verified. My other M70 push feed is a 30-338 LA and throated to seat out at 3.55" and so the 180 NBT's don't encroach on the powder capacity like the 300 win does. With 7-8 grs less powder the 30-338 gets 3150 fps at 10' chrono verified. It will take the slinkiest high BC bullets without denting possible powder capacity. 30" barrel it's a big b*tch and all performance. You need a long mag for what you want in performance with the H&H based case and a long barrel. Don't think you can get around that unless you step down to 100 gr bullets in 257 Wthby mag for length in that dink mag .Or go to short and fat cases in a LA to seat out.good luck
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Mark never had one but thinking 3500 fps+ might be a stretch for 140's in a 6.5-300 Win Mag. I can see you outrunning a 264 with that case but not by enough to hit 3500.
I do know for sure that in a 7mm Dakota you will do 3550 with a 120 TTSX with RL22 because that's what I got in mine.Barrel was 24". A 7mm LRM is pretty much the same thing. Another thought would be to just wait and see what Nosler's "new" offering will be. Another good option.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I do not allow any Model 700's or any other push feed bolt guns into my safe.
Why. Are you afraid one of your CRF's will catch a case of accuracy ?
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My "deer rifle" would not have a belt. Not that there's anything wrong with those who swing towards the belt, gay though it may be
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Seems like a lot of trouble/expense to kill a deer at 400/600 YDS.
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Always amused by those that "need" a CRF to kill a deer.
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Can't explain it any clearer. 162 is King of the Jungle......
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I think the answer to all of this is an elevation turret.
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I am..........disturbed.
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My deer/antelope/sheep rifle for the past 30+ years has been my .257 Ackley. I've never felt that I needed anything more.
However, If I was to start over, I'd probably go with a .257 Weatherby.
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Always amused by those that "need" a CRF to kill a deer. Where did Mark say it was a need? Could just be a preference, like yours for PF?
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Always amused by those that "need" a CRF to kill a deer. Where did Mark say it was a need? Could just be a preference, like yours for PF? For deer, only a preference. That said, I like for all of my rifles to be as similar as possible in as many ways as possible so that practicing and shooting with one extrapolates largely to the other firearms. My BIG game rifles are all CRF and three position safety units, and I want the best of the best for my deer rifle even if I don't truly NEED CRF, fixed ejector, claw extractor etc.
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You made it sound as if your gun safe was some sort of temple.....ie "allow 700's or PF's"
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...Tipped version of the 100gr Barnes is far from a ping pong ball, having a better BC than many or most of the long for caliber .224 bullets touted so highly by the users of those slugs.
Very good point! <pun intended> Seems to me you're gonna have to go 6.5 or 7 using the parameters you've laid out for yourself. Yep, kinda what I have been thinking. The trouble is, how do we combine a high BC bullet, WITH really high starting speeds, and also comfortable recoil? Compromises must be made, and whatever is picked will lean strong or weak on one point or another. Add in some level of efficiency and some barrel life to the equation and it gets pretty difficult. Whish is exactly why I started this thread. I am softening some on my need for speed (used to not care about a cartridge that was not close to the 4,000 mark and now I am talking myself down to living with maybe 3500fps as a new minimum. I think the fast twist 6.5/300 WinMag wildcat is leading in my mind right now. 6-284 or SAUM and 105's
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You made it sound as if your gun safe was some sort of temple.....ie "allow 700's or PF's" No more than in my home, where Obama Voters or other commies are not allowed entrance. A man has got to have some standards, no push feeds is one of mine. You can set your barometer of standards wherever you wish, of course.
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Thank you for responding to me.
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Don't ever mean not to, forgive me if I have seemed to not give weight or value to your posts. No intention of a slight, at all.
LOVE God, LOVE your family, LOVE your country, LIKE guns and sports.
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.240 Weatherby only since you wanted a belt, 80 grain Barnes TTSX at 3500+ fps. Other than that I'd maybe run a 6mm-06 and go beltless.
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It'd be like a 22-250 shooting 75 Amax at 400 yards....
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300 Weatherby. Near or far. Heavy bullets or light.
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