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Don't feel bad; we have the votes and still can't get a bridge. Kink Arm? Didn't know it was going (or went?) to a vote.
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Don't feel bad; we have the votes and still can't get a bridge. Didn't know it was going (or went?) to a vote. 
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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The airport sits in a saddle elevated above and away from The Cove. It would take more than 17M to make it "all weather", in your terms, for larger fixed wing unless high dollar rotorwing was the mode of transportation. If the road were to be built I envision more people dying on the road after a trip to/from Cold Bay than would be saved because of said road.
It's not the destination...
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..but think of the hunting opportunities it would open up!
<grin>
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There would be lots of bird eggs to eat 
Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"
Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals."
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...and it would be easier for the Feds to close it down next time there's a shutdown if it were actually opened up.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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..but think of the hunting opportunities it would open up!
<grin> DESPITE COMMENTS TO THE CONTRARY, THAT IS ONE OF THE VERY REASONS THE POWERS TO BE OPPOSE IT .
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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Why are you yelling at me?
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I'd not have a problem with the Refuge road if the Cold Bay locals anted up the funding. Or the state of Alaska. Same deal with the Knik Arm bridge, which would cut off some travel time for sure, turn Wasilla into even more of an Anchorage suburb than it already is.
But the sad fact is, Alaska got plenty of pork that would not make sense or be worth it to users if THEY had to pay the freight.
Up hills slow,
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Tonnage first and
Safety last.
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Why are you yelling at me?
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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It's loud on the slopes......?
�Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr.
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As my sometimes-absurd son said tonight, "I can't hear you Dad, it's dark." 
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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One time my 8 yo niece needed a towel while readying to get out of the shower. She didn't want her dad coming in to hand it to her. He told her to close her eyes!
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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Always looking for an easier hunt, eh?
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The Izembek Refuge Land swap has been tossed around for years. Nothing has changed so why are so many upset?
Many places in AK are remote and have piss poor access. When we move into these places we accept this or we should not move there!
Kivilina homes use honey buckets....Should the state or feds dump millions into the community because they choose not to relocate off of that sand bar? no......
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The Izembek Refuge Land swap has been tossed around for years. Nothing has changed so why are so many upset? Maybe because nothing's changed? Many places in AK are remote and have piss poor access. When we move into these places we accept this or we should not move there! As I'm sure you are aware, just as people don't choose their parents, many/most of the people in the rural areas didn't choose these places. (There's a California thread elsewhere in the forum that might help with an understanding of why people have a hard time moving from where they started out.) Kivilina homes use honey buckets....Should the state or feds dump millions into the community because they choose not to relocate off of that sand bar? no...... And there's 39 other rural communities in the same boat, even though they don't all have sand bar issues to blame.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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If you don't like crapping in a honey bucket, move to where there are no honey buckets.
We left Oklahoma after WWII because we couldn't make a decent living. We moved to Wash. State. We left our traditions and cultures behind.
Hint! Move.
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