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As a cartridge choice it would be the 338 win mag. Rifle standpoint, the pre 64 wins. If you were asking about an Alaskan like mine, It would be a no brainer....As for the guy that switched to the 300 win mag because it "recoils less than the 338 win mag", he's smoking something. The 300 win mag holds more powder and if you are going to run one, you might as well use the 200 gr. pills in it (especially if you already own an '06). They (300 win mag) kick harder than any 338 I've ever shot. Pretty plain and simple really...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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As a cartridge choice it would be the 338 win mag. Rifle standpoint, the pre 64 wins. If you were asking about an Alaskan like mine, It would be a no brainer....As for the guy that switched to the 300 win mag because it "recoils less than the 338 win mag", he's smoking something. The 300 win mag holds more powder and if you are going to run one, you might as well use the 200 gr. pills in it (especially if you already own an '06). They (300 win mag) kick harder than any 338 I've ever shot. Pretty plain and simple really... Plus one on all accounts.
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bsa, usually, I agree with what you have to say, but this time I must disagree.. The hardest kickers I have had lately have been .338's especially when loaded to the top with 200 grain bullets.. I could better the speed with less recoil from my .300 win. As I said, if I need more bullet than available in .30ca. I would move up to my .375... It was always easier for me to get top speed and acc. out of my .30 cal than it was with the .338..
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You don't "need" a 338 for elk, moose, bison. I've seen bison taken with a 270 and elk taken with a 243. 338 probably has some benefit for truly big bear, but many have been taken with less powerful cartridges.
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Well, the H&H can be loaded to 300 Win. Mag levels. This is true.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Ok here the dilemma I own two rifles one a Winchester pre 64 70 in 300 H&H and a 1966 Sako Finnbear deluxe 338 Win. If you had to choose between the two as your only long range big game gun which one would you select ? You don't see these two compared very often. As to the question, I'd let the rifles tell me which one is most accurate.
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You're right bw. I'd probably try to hang on to both of those classy rifles and since he's asking about, "which one for "long range", that's exactly what I'd do. Shoot them both at extended range (side by side) and let that be the deciding factor..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I ran some numbers with newer stuff like the 200 gr AB and the 225 AB...the H&H wins in drop and drift;but not by much and the newer bullets close the gap.
At 400 yards there is not much difference if you pick and choose loads.By the time you get to 1000 yards (!)the Holland wins by about a foot in drop and 7-8 inches in drift.
With older, standard bullets that I shot out to 600 yards with both (180 NPT and 210 NPT), the Holland wins but the two cartridges look pretty similar to 400 yards.At 600 they looked different.I suspect a turret would cure the problem.
Recoil is too complex;the Holland is among the mildest recoiling 300's,and a 338 with light bullets is a different animal from a 338 with 250's.
On mature bull elk, I found the bulls are about equally impressed with either,so after watching this a few years, my 338's went by the wayside in lieu of the 375H&H and have never been replaced;if I need more than a 7mm or 30 cal,I want a 375.
Not that a 338 is not "good"...just not on my menu.You need to think pretty hard to justify either a 338 or 375 in North America, but if we work at it, we can still do it.
A warmly loaded 30/06 comes close to factory loads for the 300 H&H,but not good hand loads to full H&H potential, where it beats the 30/06 pretty easily.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Keep the 300 H&H. They are both fully capable cartridges, the H&H is just classy.
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Sell 'em both and buy a Montana 300WSM, way better.
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Yep, the 300 H&H, although I suspect a .338 is a great cartridge, the old 300 H&H will do what your askin'
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It would kind of help if we knew what the OP's idea of long range is, and what animals he is shooting.
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I'd not be concerned about recoil in either of those rifles. Both are heavy enough to mitigate plenty of it. I've had several magnums in 7mmRM, .300wsm, .300wm, .300 wby, and .338wm. Currently running a Sako .338.
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As for the guy that switched to the 300 win mag because it "recoils less than the 338 win mag", he's smoking something. Not according to the recoil charts: http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=56996I've never shot a 338WM but have shot a few 300WM . I've heard that the 338 has a slower push as compared to a sharp jolt of the 300. Some say the "felt recoil" of the 338 seems less than the 300, other say differently. Fit of the rifle ,stock design, recoil pad, ect. can have a lot to do with that. The guy that sold his 338 in favor of his 300 evidently felt the "felt recoil" more from the 338.
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1tn. When I had .338's to get the speed I needed for open country, I had to run the little case at max. or just above, something I never did with other calibers.. That was to get a 200 grain close to a 200 out of a .300..The recoil was very heavy, and recoil usually is not a huge factor for me.. I could take it but I sure knew the gun was going off.. A second thing most choose to over look is lighter bullets in a .300.. Most feel if you shoot a .30 you need 180 or 200's.. I have shot those quite a bit, but 150's and 165's also are useful in North America.. When I had my Wy. sheep permit, rangefinders, turrets etc. were not common.. I knew the hunt area and using horses, would or could result in a very long poke at a ram.. To make a long story short my chance came at very long range.. I had my old .300 loaded with Nosler BTBT 150's at 3400fps.. At 500 yards it dropped less than 2 feet.. I needed it all.. I had 257 wea. flatness with 50 grains more bullet.. The old 06 is a very fine caliber.. I used it from the time I was 15 til about 25.. Then I found the .300's are even better.. They are not something everyone needs, but if you do need it and can use it, they are excellent.. The other thing I have noticed is they have achieved a great popularity.. All on their own.. No write pushed the .300's like the .270, 7mm mag. or .338.. People bought 'em, shot 'em and realized the are one heck of a cartridge..
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Yar: I recommend you keep them both! If "I" can do it you can find a way yourself! Best of luck to you in solving your quandry. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
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As for the guy that switched to the 300 win mag because it "recoils less than the 338 win mag", he's smoking something. Not according to the recoil charts: http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=56996I've never shot a 338WM but have shot a few 300WM . I've heard that the 338 has a slower push as compared to a sharp jolt of the 300. Some say the "felt recoil" of the 338 seems less than the 300, other say differently. Fit of the rifle ,stock design, recoil pad, ect. can have a lot to do with that. The guy that sold his 338 in favor of his 300 evidently felt the "felt recoil" more from the 338. Your chart didn't prove anything, as it was comparing different bullet weights, and doesn't even show the rifle weights used! A 300 Win mag and a 338 mag, fired in similar rifles designs at similar weight, with same weight bullets, will recoil similarly! In fact, a guy can often use a powder like RE15 for lighter bullets in a 338 mag to get similar velocity to the 300 win mag, while using lighter charges of powder...which equals less recoil.
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1tn. When I had .338's to get the speed I needed for open country, I had to run the little case at max. or just above, something I never did with other calibers.. That was to get a 200 grain close to a 200 out of a .300..The recoil was very heavy, Then I found the .300's are even better.. They are not something everyone needs, but if you do need it and can use it, they are excellent.. That's what I would assume you're gonna feel more recoil from a 338. I agree when you need to make a long shot the 300WM has an advantage over the 06.
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