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I have a couple loads for my 5.5" Bisley. Using a 260 BTB, I have used 10.-11.5 Unique for ~1000-1050 and 12.5 - 13.5 HS - 6 for similar speeds. Both group about the same. I lean toward the HS-6 load.
When I want recoil, I go with a 300 gr BTB and 25 gr H110 for 1275-1300. When I do my part, the 300 gr will do 1.5" at 25 yds with open sights. I've also tried 12-13 gr HS 6 under that same bullet for ~ 1100. 20 gr of 2400 isn't too shabby either and rubs about 1200.
I'm looking to do a bit more experimenting this winter. I'm looking for something a bit more sedate than my current H110 load. I have a 475 L so don't need a baby 454. I'm going to try HS-6 and 2400 a bit more and want to be in the 11-1200 range.
I dig the 45 colt.
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250 grain Speer LSWC over 9 grains of Unique
250 grain Hornady JHP over 19 grains of 2400
225 grain Speer JHP over 15 grains of Blue Dot
These three satisfy all my needs for .45 colt loads
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Now we have some thing to work with Powder truck came in so Im set for a long while! ![[Linked Image]](http://s23.postimg.org/gk32gfrqz/powder.jpg)
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My first Ruger blackhawk .45 lived on 25 grains of Win 296 and 270 grain SWCs from an RCBS 255 grain mold. That bullet has a near-LBT meplat and knocked very large holes clear through things.
I mention that 'cause it should work with H110. It was listed as a grain under max on the list of 30,000 CUP loads.
I'm not done developing loads for my current blackhawk .45. It's doing good work with 23 grains of 296 under Speer 300 grain bullets. I've got a pile of jacketed 240-250-260 grain bullets but haven't gotten around to testing any yet.
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I don't have time to look up a link right now, but Lil Gun has a bad rep for burning out barrels fast. The president of FA has posted info and ran tests to verify. I've got a bunch of it since it ran faster and was more accurate than powders like H110. Hated to hear that, but would also hate to hear about a nice new gun like a 45 Bisley be ruined for not knowing the score on Lil Gun.
I have recently acquired a 45 Bisley too, and when I get home will look up the two loads I've used with IMR4227 and H110 under a 250 Deep Curl. Both shot well.
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Thanks, heard that about Lil Gun
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My heavy load is 21 grains of W296 (or H110, same powder) and a 325WFN.
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Loads I tried that grouped well when my 5.5 Bisley was new last year, were 23.5 grains of IMR 4227 and 25.5 grains of H110 under a 250 Speer Deep Curl using Winchester brass and Federal GM large pistol primers. Both printed 5 shots into 1.5" at 25 yards off a bag. The H110 has a deeper bark and sharper bite.
If you have a convertible ACP cylinder, 9.4 grains of Longshot sent 5 230 XTP's into an inch and a third at 25.
That's all the load development I've done for the gun so far. Haven't had a chance or material to slug chambers and barrel yet, so no hard cast till then.
I'm thinking since I've gotten some decent groups with the gun and have noticed no issues, my chambers must be acceptably sized. I'll know more about that when I slug them, I guess.
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I don't have time to look up a link right now, but Lil Gun has a bad rep for burning out barrels fast. The president of FA has posted info and ran tests to verify. I've got a bunch of it since it ran faster and was more accurate than powders like H110. Hated to hear that, but would also hate to hear about a nice new gun like a 45 Bisley be ruined for not knowing the score on Lil Gun.
I have recently acquired a 45 Bisley too, and when I get home will look up the two loads I've used with IMR4227 and H110 under a 250 Deep Curl. Both shot well. Ricky, I've discussed this with Hamilton Bowen, the renowned revolver smith, and he doesn't see this and continues to recommend Lil' Gun for the big calibers.
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I have some Old Ruger Vacqueros in .44Mag and .45Long Colt with a couple of them in Bisley mode and for the wild loads I use H110 like a lot of lads here. I've stuffed some 300g. Laser Cast bullets on top of a heap of H110 and feel like I could go hunt Buffalo with it.
Milder loads are usually the 240-250g with some of the faster burning powders that clock around 950-1050 fps. Shoot those all day. Shoot the 300g at 1372fps?......not all day!!!! Granted, only a 900lb heifer but.. ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/Georgedevries/P1000124.jpg) Works for elk too. 325-gr Laser Cast over Lil' Gun in both instances. ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/Georgedevries/P1000128.jpg)
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I don't have time to look up a link right now, but Lil Gun has a bad rep for burning out barrels fast. The president of FA has posted info and ran tests to verify. I've got a bunch of it since it ran faster and was more accurate than powders like H110. Hated to hear that, but would also hate to hear about a nice new gun like a 45 Bisley be ruined for not knowing the score on Lil Gun.
I have recently acquired a 45 Bisley too, and when I get home will look up the two loads I've used with IMR4227 and H110 under a 250 Deep Curl. Both shot well. Ricky, I've discussed this with Hamilton Bowen, the renowned revolver smith, and he doesn't see this and continues to recommend Lil' Gun for the big calibers. George, here is the link to the comments Bob Baker, the President of FA, made and process they used to verify the basis for the warning regarding LiL Gun.
We have seen numerous barrels damaged by using Lil Gun. According to customers, some had as few as 30 rounds using Lil Gun through them, some had several hundred. Before we figured out what was happening one customer had sent his gun in for a new barrel. Then 600 rounds later it came back for another new barrel.
A couple years ago we did a test with a M83, .357 Mag. using Hornady 180 gr. bullets. We loaded 50 rds. of three different loads. One was a heavy H-110 load and the other two both used Lil Gun in different quantities.
We fired the H-110 loads first, then cut off the threaded end of the barrel. Rethreaded the barrel and shot one of the Lil Gun loads then rethreaded the barrel and shot the last Lil Gun load.
We found even the light load of Lil Gun caused the gun to get extremely hot. The heavy Lil Gun load had the gun so hot the only place we could touch the gun was on the grips and they were very hot.
Under magnification the surface appeared to have heated to a point of flowing using the Lil Gun loads and the heavy load was worse than the light load. This is probably due to Lil Gun having about 10% more nitro glycerin in it than H-110.
http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/freedom-arms-handguns-sponsored-by-freedom-arms/the-truth-about-lil%27-gun/ I do find it interesting that Bowen does not find the same an issue, but given the data from Baker, I chose not to use Lil Gun in my guns anymore. Pity as I had to rework all my Beowulf loads using 1680 and 4227, but have reasonable replacements now. I did send a couple of emails to Alexander Arms as to whether Lil Gun was safe in the Beowulf, as they generously suggest that as one of their powders, but never got a response. I've engaged them in email and phone conversation many times before and always had a response. Could have just gotten missed, I know. In the end it's a personal decision and I hope an unfounded one for any who choose to use Lil Gun. I'll error on the side of caution.
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I've heard about a very hot flame with Lil Gun in 357 Magnums, particularly with 125 gr bullets, causing damage to some revolvers (flame cutting, etc.). I guess I've just assumed it was unique to that combo. I'd really like to learn more about this and if it is also a problem in larger bore revolvers.
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I heard about flame cutting issues with Lil gun when I was shooting 460 and 500 Smiths. The light bullets in 460's with Lil Gun was supposed to be the combo to avoid. I found it interesting that FA used 180's in a 357 for their tests. Seems it caused issues with heavy bullets in their 357 too.
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Well, I'm no expert on this and just relayed HB's observations. Hopefully, it's a phenomenon that's not true across a range of cartridges and bullet weights. Especially since I have a three pound can of the stuff.
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It is the heat generated from lil-Gun that erodes the forcing cone at a much faster rate. It is a real problem in revolvers more so than in a contender or rifle according to Freedom Arms.
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I don't have time to look up a link right now, but Lil Gun has a bad rep for burning out barrels fast. The president of FA has posted info and ran tests to verify. I've got a bunch of it since it ran faster and was more accurate than powders like H110. Hated to hear that, but would also hate to hear about a nice new gun like a 45 Bisley be ruined for not knowing the score on Lil Gun.
I have recently acquired a 45 Bisley too, and when I get home will look up the two loads I've used with IMR4227 and H110 under a 250 Deep Curl. Both shot well. I just did a search and came up with this if anyone is interested: http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/freedom-arms-handguns-sponsored-by-freedom-arms/the-truth-about-lil'-gun/ Interesting discussion on Lil Gun with Bob Baker of FA chiming in - maybe what you're referring to? The 454 and 475 are also mentioned here as having had issues from using Lil Gun. I guess I'll have to re-think this and look for some H110/W296, saving my Lil Gun for the 22 K-Hornet... edit - I see this link was already posted...
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H-110 is my other "slow" powder next to Lil'Gun. I have avoided H-110 as a cold weather load due to rumours of erratic behavior. Anyone have heavy bullet experience such as 300 gr JHP from Hornady or Speer, 325 gr CPBC?
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I lived and hunted in Alaska for 7 years and all I used was H-110/296 and never had an issue. When loaded properly in conjunction with a mag primer I see no issue
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