Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Express Rifles and Big Bores Only the 416 rem as the ideal elk rifle!

The 350gr. Speer Mag Tips, in .416 are made for the largest N.American game. You don't need a magnum length action and a 10 lb. rifle to send them out at 2400 fps. 2400 fps, is their maximum penetrating velocity. With my Nikon laser range finder, which gives horizontal distances, at any angle, I don't see the need for lugging around a ten pound plus rifle, just to get a little flatter trajectory. But to each his own.

BTW, I'm left handed too. My Nikon's buttons are all on the top, so its ambidextrous, to boot.

I,m getting the idea several posters never read the original post further than the title blurb, the guy who recently purchased the 416 has zero intention of using full power loads,the goal here is more in line with using a cast gas check bullet of about 380 grains at about 2100fps.
he feels that would allow him to have a fairly effective rifle that he can shoot at reasonable cost, that will still knock the hell out of an elk at under 250 yards.
plus he is really wanting to basically improve on, but have something similar too the rifle performance, one other member of our group of elk hunters has used for decades, a 45/70 throwing a 400 grain cast bullet at near 1900fps.
we both think the 416 should easily shoot flatter and reach out with authority with a properly cast and loaded 380 grain cast gas check projectile

Oh, I read the orginal post. The .416 by neccessity has to be built kinda stout. With a 1-6 scope you are probably looking at 10-11 pounds. While you'll beat back the recoil on your mild load, you pay the price of weight.

If it were me, I'd rather put up with the brain cell killing recoil of a Buffalo Bore +P load in a Marlin 45-70 with an Aimpoint on it, at 8-8.5 pounds all up, knowing I'd carry the rifle for miles and shoot it once, maybe twice during the season. Your .416 is going to be a soul destroyer at the end of the day at 12,000 feet in the timber.

He can build a light .416 if he chooses wisely. Mine only weighs 8.5 lbs. with a 2.5 x Weaver on it.

Wow, an 8.5 lb. .416 sounds like a headache waiting to happen.

It doesn't cause me any issues. 350 gr. Speers at 2550. It has a drop box mag. and if I fill it up with 1 + 4 down it weighs 9.3 lbs. I also shoot a 10 Ithica mag double gun with 2 oz. loads for pass shooting geese and cranes.

I really have had to learn how to shoot them as much as anything.

DocBill, my 416 Wildcat is made on a Mauser M-98 action, with one of those L.Walther Bavarian 1500 custom designed barrels. It's a clone of Harry Selby's infamous Mauser in 416 Rigby. I used the 375 Ruger as its parent, and kept the half inch long neck of the Rigby. Its right at 8&3/4 lbs., with a steel tube Weaver mounted.

I only get three in the magazine, but I can pack it around for quite a while. But I'll be happy with using a Remington 338 for Elk, for a flatter trajectory, after we chew through my share of my son in law's Moose from last year. I will make the point here that for myself, the Remington circlip extractor seems to be out on the ragged edge, with my RUM cases. But a 416 Remington belted Magnum is still going to work just fine, with them.

I built my .416 as a walking hunt Cape buffalo gun. It is light enough to haul for elk and with the 350 gr. bullets, either Barnes or Speer, would shoot out to 300 flat enough without much range dithering for elk.

I also have a .375 Ruger but in a Remington classic wood stock. It weighs 8 3/4 empty with a 1.5x6 Leupo on it.

Either gun would do great on elk for a heavy out to 300 yds. with proper bullets.

I tried to bloody my 416 Taylor last fall but no luck.
Do I get partial credit for effort?

HELL YES! You get partial credit for effort?
I took two hunting trips before I found a really stupid elk, that would let me get inside of 150 yards so I felt I could shoot it standing with a sling and with my 458 win!

My .416 had a bunch of hogs and a brute of a black bear to its credit. I always used 350gr X and 400gr RN Interlocs, so I can't comment on the effectiveness of cast bullets.

Well maybe with a TTTTTTSSSSSx bullet it might those Elk are on steroids now you know.

Way back about 1989-1990 Hornady had listed a .416 315gr Spitz/boat tail Interlock...never saw one maybe they never actually made them. Would have been a game changer.

I say go for it with the .416 Rem Mag. That's way we all are here to try different things, have fun and talk about it. I've shot elk with a .308 with 150 gr NP, a Rem 7 Mag with 175 gr, a .338 Win Mag with 210NP and a .375H&H with 260 NAB. All were one shot kills and I've never trailed one more than 40 yards. If you can shot it and like it, go for it. Work up good loads, good luck and have fun.

just a quick update, so far he has had the 416 rem rifle loaded with 350 grain RCBS bullet shoot 1.3" groups at 100 yards off the bench rest over 47 grains of IMR 3031 with a 215 fed primer.
hes certainly going to do more load development and practice but ,given the current results, theres zero doubt the rifle can be an effective tool for hunting

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