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only thing ill argue is that pot may lead to harder drugs cause if thats the case, most started with alcohol before pot so if a gateway drug is true, alcohol is it, not pot.....


Weed is THE gateway drug, much more than alcohol, because it can only be obtained from criminals. Take the criminals out of the equation. That, or actually make it a crime...but that horse left the barn long ago.


its the high thats the issue, not the legality.....some people are just wired to chase the high....and for the last 15 years in most places its easy enough to get pot from people that just deal in pot and nothing harder....vast majority of pot smokers do not get it from guys that are also slinging heroin or meth.....vast majority of pot smokers get it either from or one person removed from those growing it....outside of inner cities anyway....


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I guarantee you that more pot is coming from outside our borders, so unless all the smokers have a cousin name Jesus in Mexico, they ain't getting it from one person removed.

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Originally Posted by Steelhead
I guarantee you that more pot is coming from outside our boarders, so unless all the smokers have a cousin name Jesus in Mexico, they ain't getting it from one person removed.


vast majority of smokers aint smoking Mexican brick out side of inner cities....even 15 years ago most the chit i smoked was coming here via British Columbia from a grower a friend knew or from growers within the state, usually out of Missoula......far more pot is grown inside the borders anymore than is imported, especially from Mexico...


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Originally Posted by rattler
its the high thats the issue, not the legality.....some people are just wired to chase the high....and for the last 15 years in most places its easy enough to get pot from people that just deal in pot and nothing harder....vast majority of pot smokers do not get it from guys that are also slinging heroin or meth.....vast majority of pot smokers get it either from or one person removed from those growing it....outside of inner cities anyway....


It doesn't matter. It illegal. Birds of a feather.


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If you say so, I'm sure I haven't a clue about any intel concerning such.


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Nothing should be Illegal if you do it in your own home


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Your missing the biggest part look at the paper when u buy a gun It says do u or have u use drugs , They leagalize the junk then take it away your done if u use it

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Originally Posted by ltppowell
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its the high thats the issue, not the legality.....some people are just wired to chase the high....and for the last 15 years in most places its easy enough to get pot from people that just deal in pot and nothing harder....vast majority of pot smokers do not get it from guys that are also slinging heroin or meth.....vast majority of pot smokers get it either from or one person removed from those growing it....outside of inner cities anyway....


It doesn't matter. It illegal. Birds of a feather.


for the most part its illegal for kids to drink aswell but im positive as a cop you know that doesnt stop a damn thing.....least it never has up here.....


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Sure, but Farooque, won't let 'em hang out in the back room of the 7-11 while all his friends are cutting up dope. Hanging out with criminals is never good for a kid.


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yeh but with states like Washington and Colorado legalizing and 24 other states having varios decriminalization and medical laws....regardless of federal law on a local level it isnt always handled as illegal....for minors maybe but otherwise not treated any different from meds or alcohol....which only increases the "grown local" and getting away from the typical drug dealer...


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Originally Posted by Calhoun
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But you have to ask yourself, "is society (or individuals) going to be helped by more people smoking more dope"? I think not.

Jordan



Wow. There has probably been more violence and oppression in the history of the world due to governments using that rational.

It's for the common good. We must do it.


I'm personally against marijuana, but what's happened in this country to fight drugs is a travesty of freedom and justice. Civil forfeitures? Should have been an American uprising as soon as that concept was ever floated. No knock raids to take down somebody growing a few plants? The forefathers would be ashamed.

Personally I lean to legalize it, then let the STATES regulate it and tax it into oblivion if they don't like it.


Appears the only Pot the OP curries is Pol.

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Your missing the biggest part look at the paper when u buy a gun It says do u or have u use drugs , They leagalize the junk then take it away your done if u use it


I don't use illegal drugs, nor should I need to answer such questions to purchase a firearm

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I'm for legalization, or criminalization. One or the other. Right now it is a mess. IMHO, the problem is that most people don't want their kids doing dope...'til they do. Then they don't want them to get in trouble for it.


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Originally Posted by ltppowell
I'm for legalization, or criminalization. One or the other. Right now it is a mess. IMHO, the problem is that most people don't want their kids doing dope...'til they do. Then they don't want them to get in trouble for it.


yeah see that crap all the time...."throw the book a them....oh wait my kid was involved? he is a good kid give him a pass and only punish the 'real criminals'" smirk


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actually we flustered the hell out of the local juvinile probation officer when one of our girls got in trouble....nothing major just chose the wrong group to hang out with and sat and watched while they did something....when he told us what her punishment was gonna be cause he knew she wasnt a major part of the activities we flat told him that aint gonna get the point across with her, you better up it laugh


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Originally Posted by RobJordan
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most the reasons he is against it in that article apply equally to alcohol.....infact in a few of the areas alcohol is way worse medically....


True. I hadn't thought about a "big marijuana" emerging analogous to "big tobacco" though. Its truly a dilemma. But you have to ask yourself, "is society (or individuals) going to be helped by more people smoking more dope"? I think not. As a populace, we have no self-control as it is (generalizing--I'm the exception, of course. wink ).

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It is a step in the wrong direction.


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The war on drugs has failed, the people (and I'm not talking about the far religious right wing folks here) know this and will direct their Politian's in the direction they want to go, just as how prohibition of alcohol was ended.

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Thats for shor. There's potheads everywhere.


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Nothing worse than a reformed anything.

I would presume he is rabidly against alcohol too. And smoking, and coffee, and.....


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A dope arrest and conviction will do more to adversely affect one's life than the occasional blunt ever will.

My motion to suppress the 2 joints found inside the backpack of a passenger of a vehicle was granted this morning. The passenger was a family member. I as not paid my minimal 3500 bucks. In fact, I didn't even get 35 cents.

Had I not pulled a rabbit out of my ass, our 18.2-251 probationary disposition calls for drug counseling and 6 months on your mitt, with allowances for work,school and counseling classes. The problem for most parents, whose kids get tagged for minor amounts of dope,is that they are the ones who get smacked with the attorney's fees and driving their kids around when family member vehicles are not available.

One has to fight it as best they can, though. The drug conviction taint on a kid's jacket rides their back well into their later life. I do have a problem with that.

And, if their arrest in no way is vehicle related,keep the DMV out of it.

Keep it illegal,imo. If a violation and arrest occurs for minor amounts of dope; 500.00 fine,25 hours community service and push it out for 3-6 months. If the kid accomplishes the probationary obligations and mandates and satisfies fines and costs, the charge is then dismissed at the end of the ordered time period.





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