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It is pretty common in NY with Docs and hospitals.
P's me off to no end and I've instructed my kids to answer non of your business.


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this is done by liberal doctors. They give the info, not to the government, but to their liberal doctor associations, who use the data to push for gun control.
That is why not all doctors ask. Only the anti gun, agenda driven ones are doing this.


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IMO it is a way for the government to collect information on people. They may not do anything with the info right now, it will likely sit and collect cyber dust, but if .gov ever has the need for said information it is there for them to take.








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It's been a few years ago now since I got involved in this. I had gone to my Doctor for my annual check up. He asked if I had guns. I ignored the question. He repeated the question and I repeated the ignore. He insisted and once again asked the question which I responded to "Bill I have a question for you first" He said what is it? I said if you continue on this line of questioning my question is do have a referral for a Doctor that isn't as nosey about my personal legal life? Things got quiet for a moment and then we continued with the exam. Bill never brought the issue up again.


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when i was having a cyst removed the Doc asked me about something gun related, but it was small talk while he cut on me, he is a cool guy, he's office is closed first week of elk season each year.


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In doing some reading on this the last time it came up, I'm pretty sure it came from some "continued training" the docs receive at seminars and such.

In other words, no law or gov agency requested it, but rather some medical research group thought it would be a good idea to ask. Then included it in their training and lectures, and some docs bought it and the smart ones didn't.

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It's part of a new federal requirement. It will become part of your electronic medical record which the Feds will have access too. Lot's of new charting requirements. My wife's a PA and is having to do all sorts of things to keep of with the new federal requirements. She hardly works anymore but is always getting calls from the urgent care she fills in at on occasion to come in and fill out some new paperwork.

She has also been required to move to electronic charting and had to electronically order so many scripts within a time frame. If information is power then this government is grabbing lots of it.

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Originally Posted by pira114
I've heard this a few times. But have never experienced it.

Yesterday I started with a new doc and new office. Filled out 4 or 5 forms and answrred a bunch of questions from the nurse and doc since they didn't know me. Not one mention of firearms.






Same experience last week for both my wife and I. Lots of paperwork, but no gun questions.


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Originally Posted by Mannlicher
this is done by liberal doctors. They give the info, not to the government, but to their liberal doctor associations, who use the data to push for gun control.
That is why not all doctors ask. Only the anti gun, agenda driven ones are doing this.


Close. Medical files are being stored electronically and legislation is pending (or has passed) to make them accessible to anybody with the "appropriate" credentials. Liberals genuinely believe that firearms are a health hazard.


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Originally Posted by Waders
A friend of mine just informed me that he was asked by his doctor's office if he had any guns in his home.

Not to cut short anybody's chance to rant, but I think the vast majority of us already agree that a doctor has NO business asking us if we have guns in our homes. Let's not make that the issue.

What I want to know is what do they do with the information they collect?
I have never, nor will I ever, give them that info..
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Does anybody here know? What if some guy admits that he has 4 guns in his house, what does the doctor do with that information?
I told one doc what the possible outcome re: his liability would be if anyone who gave him that info had a subsequent break-in and theft of his firearms and the clues left behind indicated the source was someone in that clinic or hospital.. He'd never thought of that..
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Counsel the guy out of owning guns? Send a report to the government? Suggest a gun safety course? What?

Thanks!
Could be any of the above.. The best response to that question is: GFY..


IIRC, part of the (un)Affordable Health Care act had something in there re: the requirement of physicians to obtain that very data or they could refuse treatment.. No doc better try to give me that excuse...


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This has been pushed by the Anti gun AMA since the 90's. They aren't having much luck with it.


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Originally Posted by eh76
Part of the obamacare issue. Had a nurse ask me that when we got a new doctor after the old one left. She started in with the questions, I cut it short by asking her what her favorite sexual position was...she looked shocked and I just replied turnabout is fair play. You get to ask a question then I do wink
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Some things are just none of others people's business.
Damn straight..

I've been hoping this same doc (who is a hunter) just might call me some day to repair one of his own firearms.. When he comes in I'll tell him, before I accept the firearm, that I need to know what meds he's on, whether or not he's ever seen a psychiatrist, how many times he's cheated on his wife and whether or not he's got porno on his cell phone.. When he yells "none of that is any of your business!" I'll just reply "now you know how I feel when you ask me dumb-azzed questions that are none of your business..


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Actually I think ObamaCare actually specified that doctors are not allowed to pass that information up the chain, and they can't demand that it be provided. They can still ask though.

Article from Forbes on a doctor agonizing over how he can't save patients:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolyn...ghts-and-obamacare-yes-it-is-in-the-law/

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In the Affordable Care Act, the gun lobby�s section is in Title X, starting on page 2,037, line 23. �Protection of Second Amendment Gun Rights� contains five provisions mostly dedicated to shutting down conversation about guns in medicine. What do these sections contain?

Wellness and prevention programs may not require the disclosure or collection of information relating to the presence or storage of a lawfully possessed firearm or the use of a firearm. At least the law didn�t say we couldn�t ask about it, we just have to do it clandestinely.

The next provision states we can�t collect data related to owning or using firearms. So we can�t write it down? Sounds like an effective way to stifle research related to gun violence so we can no longer prove that easier access to guns increases the risk of mass violence.

Provision three states we can�t use or maintain records of individual ownership or possession of firearms or ammunition. I�m fine with that not being allowed in medicine, but that information should be tracked somewhere. A person amassing an arsenal should raise an eyebrow.

Provision four limits the ability to determine rates or eligibility for health insurance based on gun ownership. Now why is that even in there? Title I of the ACA states that insurance will be guaranteed issue so no one can be turned down. Even if they own enough guns to hunt every squirrel in the United States, they will qualify for health insurance. Just so the gun owners have the correct information, rates are based on only four factors � age, location, number of family members, and smoking status. Wait � guns smoke, so maybe they thought that was meant for gun owners.

The final provision related to gun owners is that individuals do not have to disclose they own a gun. We know you can�t make people tell the truth, but fortunately most people in the throes of mental anguish and considering violence will tell the truth when asked.


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��(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.�
As added by section 10101(e)(2)

(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS
�A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to�
(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or
(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.

(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION
�None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any information relating to -
(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition;
(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.

(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS
�None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.

(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE
�A premium rate may not be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied, and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon�
(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or
(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.

(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS
�No individual shall be required to disclose any information under any data collection activity authorized under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act relating to�
(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or
(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition.


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Why would anyone answer "Yes?"


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I do not see doctors often but I was treated at an ER for an allergic reaction and not asked and the Seattle VS system does not ask.

My normal doctor is my BIL and we shoot together.


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I heard about this and it was talked about here way before O-care.

I think it's a "safety statistic" generated by the AMA.




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Correct answer......Oh hell no Doc, why do you ask? Just cause I live in MT with all these gun totin' provincial barbarians?

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Thanks for providing that info, Calhoun..

At the same time, when has this regime followed any laws? In fact, when have they followed their own ACA law? IIRC, the AIC has 'modified' that law over 30 times - ILLEGALLY, I might add - in order to benefit his party??

Trust NOTHING regarding this regime..


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Doctors aren't stupid.


he's gotta turn in the chart to the front desk to figure your bill


having a gun in the house increases your chances of not being billed $200 for two aspirin.


it's just self preservation it seems.


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