Home Forums Reloading Big Game Rifles 300 WSM load data for 168 or 165 tsx

What loads have worked for you guys with either the 165 or 168 TSX? Just trying to figure out where to start......


Regards,

Ted

70.0grs of '22 is starting to fill a W/W hull up,in a 2.800" box.

Both bullets will do over 3100fps with that concoction,CCI 200's and moly.

Gotta go drop tube or '19,to hit 3200....................

Barnes designed the 165 specifically for the .300 WSM, because the 168-gr TSX is too slender and long for proper seating and overall cartridge length. The 165 has a slightly more rounded profile and blunter base.

The 168 is for the .308 Win, .30-06 and .300 Win Mag

Have shot 165XLC's,168TSX and 168A-Max happily,outta 2.800" Sucks based 300Whizzum.

They are fully interchangeable,in my book(rifle)...................

Could be wrong, but I think you've got that entirely backwards... I've got a box of each at home and will take a look.

The '65's were on scene,looong before any TSX'er's.

That being said,all fly like they had eyes,through the mag box...be it Sucks,Blows or Montana.

I've shot 'em all....................

No, I don't have it backwards. I posed the question here about the 165 and 168 TSX and no one had an answer. So I got the store to let me open the boxes and look at, then measure the two bullets. Then I called Barnes and asked them. They said what I posted above: the 165 is intended to give room for enough powder in the WSM, because the all-copper bullets take up more space than lead-core bullets. Both bullets are annealed to the same softness for expansion at the same velocities.

Off topic of the WSM, the rings on the shank need about 40,000 PSI to seat them into the barrel grooves, so the bullets will work in some smaller, lower-velocity BR-type cartridges, too, so long as the initial peak pressure is there.

So this is what I have so far:

-70 grains of RL 22 is the Cats Azz in sucks, blows and Mt's
-168 or 165 both have eyes and kill chitt like lightning
-The folks at Barnes are installing caller id so they know when Lee is calling
-Lee might be wearing a pocket protecter
-Did I miss anything???

Brad, what is your pet load in your MT?

Man, this is too funny. Laughing my arse off!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Poot-thanks for the laugh, I needed one after a day like today.

Mark D

Poot
TOO funny.Love the caller ID plus pocket protector gags.Good burns.

I guess I dare not even mention shooting 175SMK's in a 2.800" Sucks based Whizzum at 3100fps+. Happen to dote upon 70.0grs of '22 in front of it,too.

Hart 1-10" twist,24" long,shoots fair to middlin'...................(grin)

Here ya go Lee... here's some Barnes bullets that I actually load in a 300 WSM:



Left to right: 168 TSX, 165 TSX, 165 XLC.

In my actual (non-theoretical) 300 WSM the 168 TSX, touching the lands, gives an OAL of exactly 2.900. The 165 TSX, touching the lands, gives an OAL of 2.865. The 168 TSX is, on average, .020" longer than the 165 TSX. Seated the same distance off the lands, the 165 TSX "intrudes" into the 300 WSM's case exactly .015" more than the 168 TSX. Entomologically speaking, that's the exact thickness of a knat's dick.

Regardless, I've never run out of room in the 300 WSM case with any powder/bullet combination in the four 300 WSM's I've owned and loaded for since 2001.

I tend to think your judgement has been clouded by the release of fluorocarbons from your pocket protector...

Ted, in my particular rifle I run 64.5-65 gr's H4350 with the 168 TSX.

Yeah, me too...

Be aware that Barnes has changed the TSX several times in the last year. An old lot of bullets may not match the latest manufacturing lot.

Instead of guessing or comparing unknown lots, do as I did and call Barnes to ask a technical expert.

OH BULLSHIT!!!!!

These are brand new lots direct from Barnes in the last 2 mos.

Then you call Barnes, get me a techie name, and I will get him on the phone with the one I talked with. It sounds like you need to call Barnes, anyway, before loading up their bullets.

You can certainly load a 168-gr bullet in a .300 WSM, since it was designed to launch 180-gr bullets. If anyone has some other, genuine, information answering my original question for the reason Barnes offered a 165 and a 168-gr bullets in .308, please share it.

Edited to reflect reality:



Lee I'm done with you, chosing instead to follow the admonition; "never shoot a man who's hanging himself"...

Brad,

Have you ever tried Magpro out of your 300WSM ?

Tony