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Paper gets old,quick. I use it for zero determinations/confirmations,then it's all about POA/POI intersections downrange.
Reaching the 600yd line with a 22LR is a hoot,you can have 50yd paper and however [bleep] many times you wish to dabble it.
B, Yeah but you ain't typical. I trust your 3-shot dabble at 50y, and your follow-up confirmations out to 500y plus. Can't argue with that. But many/most don't go to that extreme. And we see all sorts of 50/100y claims. You know as well as I that targets will be cherry-picked at 50y. Not saying anyone needs a rimfire that shoots 1-hole for hunting but its another to claim it "Shutz-like" in accuracy with cherry-picked targets. Before anyone gets their undies in a wad, that wasn't targeted at anyone here. PS - getting a late start but going to check on the 500y & 800y steel targets from ladder testing a few weeks ago. Oh, wait... we didn't ladder PSS - my feelers are hurt... haven't got any responses to my 162 AMAX vs BTHP inquiry. Jason
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Boxer- Hows the 17 hmr compare to the 22lr when you get to 500yds?
That little jacketed bullet looks slick compared to the typical lead egg. Got lots of ass coming out of the tube to, but at half the weight, seems it would loose it quick.
Which one first looks like cotton wood in the breeze?
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My favored lot of 22LR 40's,leave the muzzle at 1285fps. My 17V-Max Hummer's at 2500 on the nose. At 100yds in 10mph full value,the 22LR drifts 5.6"/17HMR 3.6" 200yds: LR 20"/2.8MILS Hummer 17"/2.4MILS 300yds: LR 42"/3.9MILS Hummer 43"/4MILS ...so this is where the 17's speed advantage is offset by the 22's BC advantage and the 22 will drift less here on out. 400yds: LR 70"/4.9MILS...this ends the ability to straight up dope drift in 10mph full conditions,with the reticle alone(5MILS windage offa center) Hummer 79"/5.5MILS 500yds: LR 105"/5.9MILS Hummer 123"/6.8MILS 600yds: LR 149"/6.9MILS Hummer175"/8.1MILS...this is where I run outta erector/reticle on my Anschutz wearing a 10X Fixed [bleep]. 700yds: Hummer Drift 235"/9.3MILS 800yds: Hummer Drift 305"/10.6 MILS Now talking reticle alone and talking bidness from a zero at crosshair intersection(as opposed to multi-MILS above same,for increased latitude),it breaks down thusly. Fixed [bleep] MilQuads wear 10MILS ele and 5 MILS windage,away from crosshair intersection. The 22LR/10x MilQuad will crowd the 300yd line,reticle alone from it's 50yd zero,as ele goes. 400yds is the Wind threshold,as mentioned prior...reticle alone. The Hummer/6x MilQuad will reach 465yds on the reticle alone,with a 125yd zero. The wind threshold is 365yds...reticle alone. Laundry room wall in the house. Pooch White Gopher The 6x Fixed [bleep] have a leetle extry erector travel,over the 10x...which ain't a bad thang in my book. Wanna get GOOD at Wind Dope?!? Stretch a Rimfire out. Hint.
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Which scope and reticle is that?
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20 at 50.
laissez les bons temps rouler
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My CZ453 "Varmint" model with it's heavy barrel in .22 rimfire with a middle priced Bushnell 4-12x40 AO scope and a re-blued trigger guard (couldn't stand the original trigger guard) shoots just about everything fairly well, bu likes the Wolf Match/Target best (so far outta the 30+ different types and brands of 22 long rifle ammo I've tried so far). I haven't "sprung" for any Eley ammo yet... it's too costly and I'm too "frugal" (spell that " c-h-e-a-p"). I'm still messing around with the torque on the 2 receiver/trigger screws... nothing seems to make any difference since I had my gunsmith pillar-bed the action's 2 screws, glas-bed the receiver and re-float the heavy 20-inch barrel. I've terrorized a few "Annies" with the single-set, factory trigger on the little CZ 453, but I think the rifle still has more accuracy "potential" than it's now giving me. Next "move"? Try some Eley ammo... as soon as I can "float-a-bank-loan" or file for bankruptcy in bankruptcy court !~!~! Strength & Honor... Ron T.
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First rifle that comes to mind is the old Belgian made Browning T Bolt T-2 with checkered stock.
I like to do my hunting BEFORE I pull the trigger! There is only one kind of dead, but there are many different kinds of wounded.
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Remington 541 S. For me, beautiful wood and will shoot with the best
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This is the best .22 I've ever owned and it's a keeper. Cooper Classic with Kahles 2-7 Rimfire glass. And, I've owned a Kimber, a Win 52, a Rem 40x sporter, to name a few. This one is light, accurate with hunting ammo and is wearing a top rimfire scope. I've knocked squirrels out of trees at 50 yds, off hand. The trigger is just that clean and the rifle consistently delivers. IMHO. DF
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I would take a Sako Finnfire II for My 1K, but a grand aint what it used to be, it only buy's you a mid-price rimfire these days, you got to spend nearly twice that to buy a real top of the line rimfire these days.....................Hb
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I picked up this Cooper used and IIRC, it was listed for around a grand or so. I may have traded for it, will have to check my records.
A .22 LR bore is good to go if the gun is in good shape.
Just gotta shop around.
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Sako Finnfire with a Lilja barrel, take driver anyday
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I would take a Sako Finnfire II for My 1K, but a grand aint what it used to be, it only buy's you a mid-price rimfire these days, you got to spend nearly twice that to buy a real top of the line rimfire these days.....................Hb Have to agree with you there,very time I look at a well put together finely finished modern 22 they seem to start at around 2 grand. I picked up a Volquartsen custom rifle for about that and boy does it shoot. 10 shot 100 yd group using Eley target
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This is the best .22 I've ever owned and it's a keeper. Cooper Classic with Kahles 2-7 Rimfire glass. And, I've owned a Kimber, a Win 52, a Rem 40x sporter, to name a few. This one is light, accurate with hunting ammo and is wearing a top rimfire scope. I've knocked squirrels out of trees at 50 yds, off hand. The trigger is just that clean and the rifle consistently delivers. IMHO. DF Dirtfarmer,got to agree with you on the Coopers,have found nothing out of the box that will shoot better than a Cooper and if it won't they will make it right. Accurate and beautiful rifles. I bought this LVT used for under twice the 1000 and it is my favorite shooter.
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Augie,
That's about the prettiest Volquartsen I've ever seen. I own two and they're great shooters.
Thanks for sharing.
DF
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Not in the $1,000 class, but an unusual rifle that's very accurate. I traded an air rifle for this CZ .22 LR. The stock had been painted red, which covers ugly birch wood. The trigger has been tuned and it wears a Leupold 3-9x33 EFR rimfire scope with A/O. Barrel is 29.5" and has a beautiful bore as seen thru the Hawkeye borescope. It shoots pretty close to the Cooper. DF
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CZ 455 and buy a Lilja "drop in" barrel if it does not shoot to your satisfaction. With the Lilja you would be at about 800 bucks. If you do not like the trigger, drop in a Timney.
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Used cooper or a kimber of NY. Have 2 coopers and 6 kimbers and they all shoot with my Anschutz 54 sporter. I have found with 7 examples that the NY kimber 22's really shoot. The mags can suck but that is just a little bending and probably good to go and if not they are not very expensive.
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The cooper and kimbers feel very much alike, the Anschutz 54 sporter is a whole different breed.
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I've not shot a Kimber of NY, mine was Kimber of Oregon and it wasn't in the same league as the Cooper, never shot nearly as well. It was a nice looking gun, but eventually went down the road without regrets.
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