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When I was active duty that was a standard question for every doc visit. I retired 3 years ago.

Astounding is right. Shameful, even.

I didn't state my position well. If a base commander wants to allow certain personnel to carry, that's obvious to me that it should be allowed. On the other hand, he should also have the right to ban the carry of service weapons by anybody he wants to. But anybody who is licensed to carry concealed off base should as a matter of policy be allowed to carry concealed on base, barring special circumstances.

I haven't looked it up myself, but news reports here in Oklahoma state it is DOD policy that makes our bases gun-free zones. Also said that servicemen my own firearms on base, but they must register them.

Amazing. The very lads who protect and defend the Constitution can't even exercise their Constitutional rights.

10-4 Okie! I agree 100%.
Our service personnel are being denied a RIGHT they are working to defend - can anyone say "infringed"?

Mark

Like the last time it happened in a so-called gun-free zone.

This is spot on! Thank you

Yep....

I don't understand it at all. If someone in the military doesn't know how to safely handle a firearm, then he or she should receive additional training. If they are to stupid to train, or too careless to trust, then they should get a discharge.

Why not issue them firearms (rifle and a pistol) when they complete basic and make them keep them until they are discharged. Tell them that they have to have one or the other on them at all times. They would be a lot more familiar with the firearms and likely would have less "unexpected discharges" when they get shipped to a combat zone. Heck, give them the option to keep it after they are discharged, they have earned it.

It is not feasible for each and every member to have a weapon at all times. Imagine trying to load bombs, 14 ft up a ladder, inside a already tight bomb bay.

Everyone is qualified, and maintains qualification, that does not mean we all need to carry service weapons at all times. Now, if one chose to carry a personal weapon, it should be allowed.

Dorm/barracks residents are not even allowed to keep them in their rooms. They must be kept at the armory. And families on base must register their private firearms with the armory, after a brief from the CC and Shirt!




It is asked for each and every visit.

I'm guessing the Military will now form a ARMY SWAT TEAM , and call them Army Rangers .

I wouldn't want the majority of enlisted folks walking around with a gun on base; too many hotheads.

Probably not any officers that are hot heads.

If the base commander thought he just had to limit carry on base, then limit it to SNCOs and above.

I knew quite a few OFFICERS that were just goofy and would not want to be within 2 miles of them with a firearm on their person.

Yup. I wouldn't want some of the characters I served with carrying. Not just for the malcontents but the idiots. One guy I knew caught a ricochet in the butt when a fellow MP got bored on duty and started playing with his pistol. (Not his gun at least. )

Well here in Wyoming we can carry concealed without a ccw license. The media was wring their hands saying with all the armed people it would not be safe anywhere. There would be gun fights in the grocery stores, eating joints, on the streets. A blood bath. Hasn't happened. I think there needs to be more CCW carriers on bases and advertised there are armed people on base.

The military (army is my first hand experience) isn't about training somebody how to safely handle a firearm.

It's about teaching people to kill other people.

Preferably without killing anybody on your own side, but that part isn't emphasized as much. Gun safety beyond clearing your weapon (and you'd be amazed how often THAT can't be done properly) isn't a major topic.
Don't put your finger on the trigger until you're ready to fire? Yeah, right.
Don't aim at something you don't plan on killing? They plan on killing anything threatening.
Don't fire unless you know what's behind your target? Not so much...

Folks on bases have jobs. Long arms for everybody are a silly idea. And what do you do when somebody you issue a sidearm to goes wandering off base for lunch or an errand in a non-open carry city or state?

Easy solution with no unintended consequences is to allow concealed carry for any who have a concealed carry license in the state they are based in. And to allow the base commander to do whatever he wants for the rest. Want to set up roving patrols with M4's? Fine. Want to allow officers to carry side arms on base? Fine. Want to set up machinegun nests with SAW's? Fine. Heck, I remember walking the M60 gauntlet during payday in Basic and AIT.

Why do you suppose security was tighter than at your local bank where the big money is?

I've been on armed details on posts in the interest of crime prevention so there are alternatives. On one occasion a guy I was paired with pulled out a joint. Really kept my eye on him the next two hours. And the post commander is god, we had enough crap roll downhill from command through him to make our lives uncomfortable. One reason for all those fairly pointless details.

Makes me remember a bunch of Obama Look-a-Likes outside the NCO club on Campbell one night in 1972 messing around with a M-79 40 mm Grenada one had swiped of the range . One of the brilliant ones decided to rap it against the loading ramp killing himself and a couple of others and it Fragged the whole bunch of ten or more blowing off a couple of arms, putting the survivors in the hospital and knocking out bunch of windows in the part cars. I heard it go off and walked to the parking lot bodies laying every where . I couldn't help but laugh . Us white boys called the NCO Club Little Africa, nothing but Black there 90% of the time and nothing but Black downs in the blast area.