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A 6.8 with a rifle buffer has about as much recoil as a .223 in a bolt action.. i.e., barely noticeable.
If anyone wants a .300BO, just wait a bit. When the new NFA trust regs hit in June +-, the demand will become a trickle as people have more trouble getting cans and figure out the .300BO is about as worthless as tits on a boar hog without a can.
I could see the .300BO being obsolete in 10 years. I agree a bit there but the whisper has been around for a LONG time now and nothing I'd call obsolete. Why the blackout, which is just a whisper with a new name, was ever touted for supersonic is beyond me. I'd run a x39 any day over it if I wanted supersonic.
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Bolts and barrels are pretty much readily avalible now. The 6.5 grendel forum just had a group buy.
As for bullets there are more on the way. There is a fairly good selection avalible now.
85gr Sierra HP Varmint 90gr Speer TNT HP 95gr Hornady V-Max 100gr Barnes TSX Hornady A-Max Hornady Soft Point Lapua FMJ Nosler Ballistic Tip Nosler Partition 110gr Barnes banded Spitzer BT 120gr Barnes TSX Norma FMJ BT Nosler Ballistic Tip Sierra Pro Hunter 123gr Hornady A-Max Hornady SST Lapua Scenar 125gr Nosler Partition 129gr Hornady SST 130gr Sierra Game King Swift Scirocco A few are even using 140gr bullets.
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Brass would be the hard part? But it is still worth it if I were to go that route! I have a soft spot for 30 calibers and the 308 winchester keeps on doing well.
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Esox357 you can lead them to water but you can't make em drink it.
The Grendel is king in the AR15. I used think so but now I am not sure. Barrel length for the 6.5 seems to require over 16" to get the advantages. For a 16" light weight, out to 400 yards I think the 6.8 wins.
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Bolts and barrels are pretty much readily avalible now. The 6.5 grendel forum just had a group buy.
As for bullets there are more on the way. There is a fairly good selection avalible now.
85gr Sierra HP Varmint 90gr Speer TNT HP 95gr Hornady V-Max 100gr Barnes TSX Hornady A-Max Hornady Soft Point Lapua FMJ Nosler Ballistic Tip Nosler Partition 110gr Barnes banded Spitzer BT 120gr Barnes TSX Norma FMJ BT Nosler Ballistic Tip Sierra Pro Hunter 123gr Hornady A-Max Hornady SST Lapua Scenar 125gr Nosler Partition 129gr Hornady SST 130gr Sierra Game King Swift Scirocco A few are even using 140gr bullets.
dude seriously?!?! where have you been its not exactly easy to find bullets I know you can shoot just about any 6.5 bullet in a grendel but the problem is if the ogive isn't right you end up having to seat the bullet very deep in the case giving up speed. case in point the only 6.5 bullet I could find for sale anywhere is the 120 amax, these suck because they have to be seated insanely deep. I wouldn't call barrels anywhere near close to readily available. midway is totally out of stock. yeah they can be found but better plan on waiting a couple months.
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and then you will say...I could have had a .308.
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But they are too heavy......(grin)?
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Bolts and barrels are pretty much readily avalible now. The 6.5 grendel forum just had a group buy.
As for bullets there are more on the way. There is a fairly good selection avalible now.
85gr Sierra HP Varmint 90gr Speer TNT HP 95gr Hornady V-Max 100gr Barnes TSX Hornady A-Max Hornady Soft Point Lapua FMJ Nosler Ballistic Tip Nosler Partition 110gr Barnes banded Spitzer BT 120gr Barnes TSX Norma FMJ BT Nosler Ballistic Tip Sierra Pro Hunter 123gr Hornady A-Max Hornady SST Lapua Scenar 125gr Nosler Partition 129gr Hornady SST 130gr Sierra Game King Swift Scirocco A few are even using 140gr bullets.
dude seriously?!?! where have you been its not exactly easy to find bullets I know you can shoot just about any 6.5 bullet in a grendel but the problem is if the ogive isn't right you end up having to seat the bullet very deep in the case giving up speed. case in point the only 6.5 bullet I could find for sale anywhere is the 120 amax, these suck because they have to be seated insanely deep. I wouldn't call barrels anywhere near close to readily available. midway is totally out of stock. yeah they can be found but better plan on waiting a couple months. Where have I been? At the range shooting and the reloading bench reloading. Do you have the 6.5 Grendel Reloading Handbook Vol I or II? Read it and try some of the loads they work. The 16" Grendel barrel beats the 6.8 16" pretty well. Paul Scott one of the guys that wrote the Grendel handbooks has taken his 16" out well past 1k yards.
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The only thing the .308 offers over the Grendel is more weight and recoil. If I am going to slum an AR10 it would be in 6 Creedmoor or 6.5CM.
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Esox357 you can lead them to water but you can't make em drink it.
The Grendel is king in the AR15. I used think so but now I am not sure. Barrel length for the 6.5 seems to require over 16" to get the advantages. For a 16" light weight, out to 400 yards I think the 6.8 wins. You are guessing, I am not. You ask the most basic of questions and now you are an expert? I find that very interesting.
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I have an open mind...
Do you have a link to some MV's and comparison charts?
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The only thing the .308 offers over the Grendel is more weight and recoil. If I am going to slum an AR10 it would be in 6 Creedmoor or 6.5CM. You ever shot a SCAR17? Also, let me know when you come up with a Grendel load that'll launch 150gr bullet at 2800fps out of a 19in barrel.
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when you can buy 500 loaded 6.5 Grendel cartridges for $380 plus shipping let me know!! The thing about 5.56 and 308 is that its available right now and in those big value pack boxes. If I want a LW gun I can shoot it with a Barnes 62 grain TSX!
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I'm going to give a .308 a try in the near future. The Sig 716 patrol is local and seems to be calling.....
Im unlikely to get rid of the 6.8s for it, though. Pairing the AR platform with a little Contender for my son just makes sense. I don't see many deer walking from the ttsx. The .223 would, likely, work as well but I prefer the extra insurance.
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I like the 6.8 and I am very pleased with it. I highly recommend it in the AR platform as a deer and or hog hunting round. Out to 300/400 yards it is perfectly effective.
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I don't know why these threads don't end after the first reply. That first reply need only consist of one sentence - "Get both."
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I have an open mind...
Do you have a link to some MV's and comparison charts? www.ar15buildbox.comYou can buy both vol. I and II.
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Wow it was so hard buying 6 boxes of Hornady 123gr SST's yesterday at Cabela's. Oh yeah and it was the same price as the 6.8 which I bought 6 of too. I don't recall this thread being about bulk ammo. I shoot both and can tell you the Grendel wins every time. Seeing that the thread is about an offering in the AR15 platform and not the AR10, the .308 isn't or shouldn't be on the table.
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"Wins" what every time? For "my" intended use, I don't see where it wins. Does it kill "more dead" than the 6.8? Is that similar to "way over-penetrates"?
Enjoy the Grendel, I'll stick with the .223 and 6.8.
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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when you can buy 500 loaded 6.5 Grendel cartridges for $380 plus shipping let me know!! The thing about 5.56 and 308 is that its available right now and in those big value pack boxes. If I want a LW gun I can shoot it with a Barnes 62 grain TSX! When I"m desperate enough to buy loaded ammo, life has tossed me a big curveball. Can't recall buying loaded ammo since possibly in the early 90s. But I hear ya. Ain't much a person can't kill with a 50-60ish barnes in 223. Won't be any deader than a 308. Yet I grab my 308 bolt gun quiet regular chasing "big" deer, though I seriously doubt i'll ever run into a situation with our smaller deer that a 223 couldn't handle. Maybe a distance shot might be about it on the iffy side. But having killed deer out past 550 with the AR, and pigs up to about 250 pounds at numerous distances with the 223, sometimes one wonders if the 223 couldn't just do it all in most given situations that one normally encounters. Funny part, I'm an advocate of use enough gun and larger bores.. my last project is a 338-06...
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