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i wouldnt take that bet....
A serious student of the "Armchair Safari" always looking for Africa/Asia hunting books
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Man, you are consistent a total wackjob !
A few years ago I decided to try some factory 7x57's out, to see how they compared to 7mm-08 factories, since people keep saying how 7x57's are loaded down so much. I tried one local store here in Montana and found three brands of 7x57, equally the variety of 7mm-08 ammo on hand. (Turned out the 7x57 stuff was a whole 100 fps behind the 7mm-08, on average.)
I would bet serious money that you'd find more 7x57 ammo on gun store shelves in most parts of American than ammo for the .358 Winchester, the cartridge you keep holding up as ideal.
Sorry mate, you made a typo.
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The 7-57 has to be far more available than the .358 W. which really never got off the ground. In 1966 I had a 30-06 for a decade and a 243 and 222 for varmints. That year a found the 99F .358 in Charlie Benton's gun shop used for $68.00. It seemed ideal to me for woods hunting. Recently I wanted a Brno 22H and got one in 7-57. It's bbl. is only about 20" long and it shoots 140's best so far. I tried the 120 Nosler in it and it's not so accurate so far. While it's a neat old rifle it does not seem optimum for much except rifle fun. 
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Yeah, the 7x57 is a fairly useless cartridge. I've only found mine effective on pigs, elk, moose in North America, plus several kinds of deer from Old Mexico to Alberta, and maybe a dozen species of African plains game, including kudu and wildebeest.
Probably wouldn't work nearly as well on whitetails in your area.
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John Steinbeck
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Here is that 21H 7-57. The mount is a one piece that requires a long scope with modest objective and small ocular so it will clear the bolt. I had a Dakota safety put on and saved the old parts. ![[Linked Image]](http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/42/z9nc.jpg)
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Works pretty well on Jackrabbits also. 175 gr Rem PSP 7x57 Mauser. Range was @ 100 yds. Entrance. ![[Linked Image]](http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg546/elkhunterinnm/19DAB19A-8FD2-4FDB-A790-2653675883D6-8727-000005DA49F47568_zps3aefe2b1.jpg) Exit. ![[Linked Image]](http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg546/elkhunterinnm/50764375-2A19-45DE-B9A7-D3AC57F8FB12-8727-000005DA3F1816BB_zps324ce5ae.jpg)
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I absolutely love my Ruger 77 in 7x57 Mauser. It's killed a lot of animals, but the one thing I haven't killed with it is a Coues deer. I hope to remedy that statistic this coming November. The 7x57 is an awesome caliber. I love hunting mule deer with mine. It's great for hunting mountain sheep, too, among other things. I certainly wouldn't hesitate to poke a mountain grizzly with it, either.
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While it's a neat old rifle it does not seem optimum for much except rifle fun. What's fun about a rifle that's not good for much? How much do you want for it?
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Works pretty well on Jackrabbits also. 175 gr Rem PSP 7x57 Mauser. Range was @ 100 yds. Entrance. Exit. Elk, I've said it once, I'll say it again. You have some TOUGH jackrabbits out in New Mexico if you have to use a 7x57 to kill them. Tough! 
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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Yeah, the 7x57 is a fairly useless cartridge. I've only found mine effective on pigs, elk, moose in North America, plus several kinds of deer from Old Mexico to Alberta, and maybe a dozen species of African plains game, including kudu and wildebeest.
Probably wouldn't work nearly as well on whitetails in your area.
Are you sure?
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Pretty sure...about Savage99's skills!
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He has skills???? Who knew?
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Works pretty well on Jackrabbits also. 175 gr Rem PSP 7x57 Mauser. Range was @ 100 yds. Entrance. Exit. Elk, I've said it once, I'll say it again. You have some TOUGH jackrabbits out in New Mexico if you have to use a 7x57 to kill them. Tough! As I've said before,also used a .375 H&H and a .416 Rigby on these Jackrabbits.  It was interesting as to what a .416" 410 gr Woodleigh softpoint going 2400 fps will do to a wascally wabbit. 
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Are we allowed to shoot animals that weigh less than the bullet we shoot?
Not serious about this. Just messing with the concept.
Don't want a firestorm of replies.
Enjoy the weekend.
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Are we allowed to shoot animals that weigh less than the bullet we shoot?
Not serious about this. Just messing with the concept.
Don't want a firestorm of replies.
Enjoy the weekend.
Steve Only if using the 7x57.
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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Works pretty well on Jackrabbits also. 175 gr Rem PSP 7x57 Mauser. Range was @ 100 yds. Entrance. Exit. Elk, I've said it once, I'll say it again. You have some TOUGH jackrabbits out in New Mexico if you have to use a 7x57 to kill them. Tough! As I've said before,also used a .375 H&H and a .416 Rigby on these Jackrabbits. It was interesting as to what a .416" 410 gr Woodleigh softpoint going 2400 fps will do to a wascally wabbit. I get more fun out of using cannons on rabbits than I get from shooting larger game...particularly off-hand with open sights.
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Yeah,it's darn good practice with the big guns and it helps when shooting big game.
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And plain fun without the work.
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He has skills???? Who knew? Even the proverbial broken clock is right twice a day, and if that knucklehead's clock ain't broke, it's damned sure bent.
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