Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire What's the right resolution re: Bundy?

we descendents of the scotti have not weighed in yet, but we're working on an appropriate response that will fit the conditions at hand.

They don't need to transport the cattle out of the state.
They only want them off the Federal land.
They could sell then within the state, or work out an agreement for Bundy to keep them on his land if he pays what he owes

in a pinch, the meat could be processed and donated to the homeless shelters, not sure of the ethics of that action though.

the people in the big cities such as Reno and Las Vegas are probably hungry for some good beef at a low price.

we all want justice to be done. the immediate problem is how best to define an appropriate "justice." one thing for sure, as much as I hate to agree with the ambulance chasers who frequent this board, I'd be lawyering up, heavy at this point in time. I mean, it's all negotiable, isn't it?

Or, more simply, take their case to a Nevada court, get a judgment, and place liens against his real estate, cattle, or bank accounts. Then, send the local sheriff's deputies out to seize items until the judgment is satisfied.

It's a subtle point, but the Constitution allows the federal government the ability to own land in the states, but the states have sovereignty over it. The federal government is just another landowner.

If a landowner has a dispute with a renter, he is not allowed to simply start seizing assets as the federal government did. The landowner has to follow the process.

again , they cannot sell them in state without breaking federal laws as they have no records for the animals themselves.
About the only thing they have is � the judge said we could remove the trespassing cattle �
Ok so fine ,who�s cattle are they ? Are they all Bundys?
Do you know ? Does the sale yard know ? The answer to that is NO !
that�s why we have laws so that the answer to that is YES.
Now another problem . Who do you think is going to buy these cattle ???

Sale yards were not accepting them , why because they have seen this before . So now what , would the fed set up their own impromptu sale yard ???
Ok so then would the permits , inspections and all other requirements then be waved , I other words the laws over looked .
But lets say they were , who is going to buy them , another rancher ?
Well I wouldn�t want to be that guy .
Feed lot ? Can you say end of that buissness ..
that�s why they wanted to take them to Utah as no where in Nevada was willing to take them . Ahhh but in order to do so , they had to break federal laws as well as state laws and that�s why the Utah governor said Nope.
so now that brings up the question of this
Feds accused of leaving trail of wreckage after Nevada ranch standoff
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...il-wreckage-after-nevada-ranch-standoff/


so for those who have been standing on this court order idea . can someone posted where the court gave the BLM and permission to do anything other then remove the cattle ?
Who authorized them to shoot the bulls . One of which was in a corral.
Another which is being reported to have been shot 5 times .
Seriously 5 times . Now what fringing idiot has to shoot a range bull 5 time to kill it ?
Then on top of all that , they left them out there to rot.
Where is the outcry from the animal rights groups about that ?
However I guarantee you if there was a photo of one single squashed tortes that one photo would be shown over and over and over again in the media as a justification for this

After due process, and court orders supporting such sale of seizures. And also after all the Nevada brand inspection laws and transport and sale laws have been met. You can't just go and break state laws because you are the federales. Lot's of folks the that federal laws trump state and local laws. Not so. Haven't the federales broken enough laws and violated the Constitution enough for one event?



Again, only after the proper laws and due process is followed. Plus, with this suggestion, the slaughtered cattle would have to be processed in a USDA inspected facility and passed for consumption by the public.



It's a good thing you will be armed then... Because you would need to be if I caught you shooting my cattle, or anyone I know that raises cattle. Why not let the courts enforce the civil judgments?

Or just let Bundy sit in jail until he complies with the court order.

He owes over 640 million as it is.

He can't win and he ain't no John Wayne.

He best get a solid lawyer to help him mitigate his impending nightmare and one who has no problem with super gluing his mouth shut.

What if..._______________?

or, what if...___________?

What if the federal agencies follow proper protocol and show some respect to citizens and their constitutional rights, and the laws within the state?

What if a person actually had a clue before posting? There are lots of BLM experts now that never sat foot on BLM. And lots of livestock ranchers that never got any closer to a cow than the highway right of way.

Where did that come from, Bob?

Hell you could by Nevada and give them Las Vegas as change for that.

I thought it was 1.35 million, but that was just the unpaid grazing fees/fines...

The 640 comes from a $200 per day fine on trespass cattle.

Rotsa Ruck Collecting that...

Now it's 1.35 million. Hell, lets just let the federales pick a number. I'm sure they will get the same amount, no matter what their number of the day is.

yes, Bundy has shown very clearly how he handles his debts

Well, he showed how he handles environmental terrorists and their crack eviction team, at any rate.

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I don't have the order right in front of me but I believe it's from the Fed Ct's 1999 Order stating the fine would be 200 bucks, per head of cattle,after "X" amount of time (I think 45 days).

Don't hold me to it but I read it inside two days ago so my memory may still be somewhat intact.

Yeah, I don't think their final tabulation reflects that though. They COULD impose an unreasonable fine on him, but it'd get tossed based on his ability to pay in the next 10 lifetimes though.

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Easy for you to say,man, it's not your money.

He has a family including 14 children and who knows how many grandkids.

If I were in Bundy's shoes, I certainly hope I wouldn't be so selfish as to ignore my family and their potential need for my estate because I thought I didn't have to obey a Federal Ct judge.

WTF it's what democrats like; folks on the government tit.

http://www.conservativeinfidel.com/...hinese-govt-get-rid-right-wing-ranchers/

Hell man, his estate was ruined the day they served the order on him cutting his permit from 600 head to 150 head. From that point on, he had nothing to lose. Those kind of guys are kinda dangerous.... Take everything away from them they worked for all their life with a stroke of a pen, and sometimes you get what's left over.

The man's family seems to be backing him just fine too.

The problem really is not that Bundy was wrong (at least legally), but the disproportionately excessive response from the BLM.

When did BLM get a SWAT team, anyway?

Does *every* fed agency have their own police force?

You only have power over people as long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power - he's FREE again.
~ Alexander Solzhenitsyn

It's time to reread Solzhenitsyn, this time as survival manuals.