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Isn't it interesting that the BLM backed down when it became common knowledge that armed civilians were showing up. That is because rightousness is more powerfull than evil. That is why George Washington was under gunned, under manned, under supplied and still won. The rightous looked into the eye of the evil and evil backed down. Evil is a coward like the BLM. We just need to stare them in the eye and stand up to them. This is why the only person they physically touched was a frail woman, noone else. They needed tazers on men like cowards. If we stand up, they will back down. Many here will say government employees will shoot us or round us up cause they don' want to loose their jobs and retirement plans. I say bull. Even satan said " a man will give up everything he has to save his life when talking to God about Job. These "men " are not going to risk their lives for a few dam cows and turtles. The BLM thugs knew full well they could easily have been all killed and there would be little defense on their part. it helps when cameras are rolling and there is a national movement in sympathy of the rancher... Had the BLM gone forward it would have been ugly and the federal government would have had a nightmare PR situation on their hands during a time when congressional approval ratings are at an all time low. simply put - they didn't want or need martyrs that day.
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Well it proves one thing for sure the federal law enforcement will most definitely fire on civilians if given the order. and that shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that has followed the history of this country
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One more thing is certain there are a certain percent of the Fire that prefer slavery to freedom and will lick the black boots of the Gestapo and SS of the federal government.
There's no doubt the State is the 800 pound gorilla in the room and one does have to walk gingerly to avoid angering him but there comes a time when the gorilla has to be put down for his own good.
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You know, people can read, but they don't understand a thing they read.
It means that the State will follow Federal law, and Federal law will be enforced. It's not a state thing as Bundle would have the morons believe. Apparantly you don't even read much, like the Bill of Rights and/or the Constitution. Try Article I section 8 in the US Constitution and the 10th ammend. of the Bill of Rights, you know, the one about states rights. Just because the feds have gotten away with supposed "authority" over the states doesn't mean they have constitutional authority to do so. The whole point of the development of the fed gubbermint by the founders was to protect the rights of the individuals of the country as a whole, and to make sure the states did so as well. The states were never to be subservient to the feds, quite the contrary, but unfortunately this fact eludes many here.
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Well it proves one thing for sure the federal law enforcement will most definitely fire on civilians if given the order. and that shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that has followed the history of this country It doesn't to me but some need reminding not that it does any good.
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There's a lot of stupid going on, but not from the side your thinking. With the rest of your post my response is..... HUH? Thanks I lost 10 IQ points reading your post. The fault is yours, if you had taken the time to drop another twenty IQ points you would have been able to successfully converse.
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Well it proves one thing for sure the federal law enforcement will most definitely fire on civilians if given the order from the Fuehrer regardless who the Fuehrer is. And I would imagine most local law enforcement from city to state will do the same thing. You needn't imagine. Over 200 LEOs from twenty-some agencies from the local LVMPD to the assorted state and federal 'alphabets' were reputed to be on sight and all were party to the abuses perpetrated and were there to fire on Americans if given any opportunity.
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Well it proves one thing for sure the federal law enforcement will most definitely fire on civilians if given the order from the Fuehrer regardless who the Fuehrer is. And I would imagine most local law enforcement from city to state will do the same thing. You needn't imagine. Over 200 LEOs from twenty-some agencies from the local LVMPD to the assorted state and federal 'alphabets' were reputed to be on sight and all were party to the abuses perpetrated and were there to fire on Americans if given any opportunity. You are right I guess I needn't imagine. The only thing missing was the Nevada National Guard and maybe they were there too.
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Two things stand out in that video. A bunch of clowns that have never followed any rules and another bunch that has never enforced any. That is the summation of the whole affair. Neither party are choir boys, and neither side has acted like they have more than schidt for brains. Bundy has spent too many long hours under the desert sun, and the BLM are morphing into Eco-Nazis. This little blond politikitty is dodging for votes. She has her eyes on Congress, and this is simply fuel for her vehicle. The drama continues...
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You know, people can read, but they don't understand a thing they read.
It means that the State will follow Federal law, and Federal law will be enforced. It's not a state thing as Bundle would have the morons believe. It does seem that Nevada is not a sovereign state which probably explains why prostitution is still legal in Nevada that is the only state where it is. Actually, legal prostitution law points to the fact that Nevada has control of many things, or Sovereignty. We are all a part of the United states, and the US constitution apply s and trumps state law. Only Indian reservations are mostly sovereign.
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[quote=4100fps]You know, people can read, but they don't understand a thing they read.
It means that the State will follow Federal law, and Federal law will be enforced. It's not a state thing as Bundle would have the morons believe. Only Indian reservations are mostly sovereign. Guess you haven't spent much time talking to rez residents about that whole sovereign thing they supposedly enjoy wrt to the fed goobers?
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You know, people can read, but they don't understand a thing they read.
It means that the State will follow Federal law, and Federal law will be enforced. It's not a state thing as Bundle would have the morons believe. Apparantly you don't even read much, like the Bill of Rights and/or the Constitution. Try Article I section 8 in the US Constitution and the 10th ammend. of the Bill of Rights, you know, the one about states rights. Just because the feds have gotten away with supposed "authority" over the states doesn't mean they have constitutional authority to do so. The whole point of the development of the fed gubbermint by the founders was to protect the rights of the individuals of the country as a whole, and to make sure the states did so as well. The states were never to be subservient to the feds, quite the contrary, but unfortunately this fact eludes many here. I read plenty, you shouldn't have just jumped in before reading more of this thread. If he indeed follows Nevada's laws, he should note this part in the Nevada State Constitution, Article 1, Section 2:
"All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the [b]Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority."[/b]
Now I don't want to move to fast and lose you, but go to the 10th Amendment, and then understand what was written, approved, and signed by the state of Nevada above. They are still sovereign, and can modify the law I posted, but haven't. It's their own law, not the "FEDS". Under Article 1 Section 8 do you mean to read: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress Sounds about right. Or maybe this part: You know the "Elastic Clause" To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof. Thanks for being so understanding.
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You know, people can read, but they don't understand a thing they read.
It means that the State will follow Federal law, and Federal law will be enforced. It's not a state thing as Bundle would have the morons believe. Oh, I dunno... SOME people can read, and even have a fairly decent comprehension of what they read. Now as far as what you posted below, the government required certain wording be added or amended into constitutions of territories that were seeking statehood. Most of the western states have that wording, or something similar. If he indeed follows Nevada's laws, he should note this part in the Nevada State Constitution, Article 1, Section 2:
"All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the [b]Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority."[/b] Now, the armed force is another matter altogether. Let's see if your reading skills are as good as you want others to be. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, still in effect, was passed to prevent U.S. military personnel from acting as law enforcement agents on U.S. soil.
While the Act is seen as an essential element of the American civil liberties framework, it originally represented a profound betrayal of African-American Southerners by the federal government. In the Reconstruction years following the American Civil War, U.S. troops were stationed in the South to protect recently-freed black slaves, allowing them to vote and function as free people. But when Republicans agreed to end Reconstruction in exchange for electoral votes during the controversial 1876 presidential election, they sold out black Southerners, who were condemned to a near-century of Jim Crow laws with almost no federal protection. The Posse Comitatus Act, which withdrew U.S. troops from Southern soil, was a central part of this betrayal.
The text of the Posse Comitatus Act, which is still in effect (as 18 U.S.C. Section 1385), reads: Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. Today, the Posse Comitatus Act has taken on a very different meaning from the one that it had in 1878. No longer associated with Reconstruction, it is a useful way to prevent the U.S. armed forces from directing their efforts against U.S. dissident groups. Public sentiment in favor of the Posse Comitatus Act is so strong that a 2006 law permitting an exception to the Act in cases of public disasters (in response to Hurricane Katrina) was repealed a year later.
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/waronterror/a/posse_act.htmThat also leads us to the constitutional powers of the office of the sheriff, in whose hands the responsibility of all people within his county boundaries rests. A constitutional sheriff knows that he is the head law enforcement officer in the county, and other officers within the county are under his direct orders in his fulfilment of those duties. In other words, if the sheriff feels that the safety of people in his county is at risk, he can tell them ALL to go pound sand. And they have to comply.Unfortunately, although he grandstanded just fine at the Bundy press conference, Sheriff Gillespie is nothing more than another shill for the BLM that let the situation get out of hand by their tactics, and he CERTAINLY answers to Harry Reid. He was just following orders like the rest of them the day they stood down.
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Well SB there's 7 reservatons here in Montana, and I can tell you for certain that they are way more sovereign than us. They have no taxes, abide by different laws, have casino's hunt when they want, etc etc etc. They even have signs on the lake that say "ONLY TRIBAL MEMBERS ALLOWED ON BEACH"
I could go on but thats a whole other topic.
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It is astounding to read folks comparing mistakes by a single rancher, to the debacle we just witnessed by agencies of the United States Government, and/or any Nevada state or local law enforcement.
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Well SB there's 7 reservatons here in Montana, and I can tell you for certain that they are way more sovereign than us. They have no taxes, abide by different laws, have casino's hunt when they want, etc etc etc. They even have signs on the lake that say "ONLY TRIBAL MEMBERS ALLOWED ON BEACH"
I could go on but thats a whole other topic. The tribes, for any practical discussion are completely beholden to the fed. They are only "sovereign" to the point the feds let them be, until they decide they're not. As to the constitution, you need to read a little further down in Article I section 8, the part requiring purchase of any land and only when agreed upon by said state legislature, and only for very specific purposes.
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It is astounding to read folks comparing mistakes by a single rancher, to the debacle we just witnessed by agencies of the United States Government, and/or any Nevada state or local law enforcement. Yes, Bundy's original grazing fee issue is very nearly insignificant at this point and of infinitesimally small import compared to this government's corruption and oppression.
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Now, the armed force is another matter altogether.
Let's see if your reading skills are as good as you want others to be.
It doesn't stop Federal lawmen from acting. How does that make Bundy right? When did they send in the army? I must of missed that too.
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Lets look at what Bundy should have done. Immaterial now but lets have a looky.
He owns nothing now, but did have around 160 odd acres, and he held the allotment grazing rights for 150 head of cattle before he quit paying the grazing fee.
Anyway, he should of and could have sold that for over $350,000, (going rate) and I bet his 160 acres for close to the same. So Bundy could have headed to far better grazing lands up north, or invested it and retired.
If it takes 1000 acres for 1 cow your not in great cattle country. Seems to me, brains were never a virtue in the Bundy family.
He has been working up to this moment for a long time and certainly knew his neighbors were going to come to his rescue.
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Now, the armed force is another matter altogether.
Let's see if your reading skills are as good as you want others to be.
It doesn't stop Federal lawmen from acting. How does that make Bundy right? When did they send in the army? I must of missed that too. I guess the sheriff can though. And no, it doesn't make Bundy right, but it sure don't make the milartistic tactics of the government right either. The heavy handed tactics, assault on civilians that were filmed, and the officers filmed and recorded pointing rifles at a peaceful crowd of Americans and instructing them they would shoot, coupled with running cattle to death, shooting bulls, bulldozing water structures tat Bundy had water rights on, and leaving calves dying in the desert, not to mention the publicized 1st Amendment Zones, was what turned lots of public opinion against the government. Had they handled it differently than deploying a full military assault, with blatant disregard to private property, the Constitution, and due process after a civil judgment was rendered, nobody would have even known it happened. It wouldn't have even made the local news. Regardless of how wrong Bundy was, it was the BLM that turned it into a clusterphuck.
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