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It is true, ya can't fix stupid.


Take care, Willie

That's not fair. Actually, Bundy and Pelosi have something in common. Neither own land in Grand Butte differently than you and I do.

So, tell me why Bundy owns it again, while making a profit on our dime?

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That response from the atta-boy queen had to make you moan "oh schit",Mike.

It started over non payment, and progressed to violations of court orders

Saying that's not what its' about is simply denial

I'm biased, having gone up against the blm as an outfitter during the clinton years. I hate the bastards. It wasn't about freebies then; but the phasing out of commercial enterprise from public lands.

Until you seek a permit from the lesbian anti-hunter in charge, you won't understand.

What kind of outfitter? ATV rides? Hunting Guide? River Rafting?

Where? Arizona? Alaska? Utah?

Was there a prospectus, or did they want you to buy out an existing operation?

How much insurance did they want you to carry>

Sycamore

Did you have a permit before, or want to start a new business?

You do understand the US part right ?
See it wasn�t the US as in we the people �US � it was the US as in a federal government agency .
You can Cry TAYLOR ACT all day long doesn�t change the fact that the �act� was made prior to the BLM establishment .
But if you want to use it then at least recognize that under that act the Bundy family had recognized grazing rights for that land . Specific rights that were justified by water rights .
Now enter the BLM and their endangered species. Well factually probably herry reed but still a belly crawler . THEY and only THEY made the new law which justified the reduction of grazing rights which were recognized before , during and after the glorified TAYLOR act .
Those BLM laws were what the court had to rule on as they were the laws Bundys cattle were in violation of breaking.

Show me where , anywhere , that your elected congressman voted on any of that . I don�t care if the president signed it . That doesn�t mater the president cannot make law out side of executive order , . Congress and only congress makes laws by voice/ representation of the people . Thus only the people by way of their duel elected representatives can make law.
the people did NOT speak , the BLM spoke as they made the law . A law that Bundy doesn�t recognize . Factually NONE of us should recognize. Thus he refused to pay

When you were a child , did your parents ever tell you not to do something and when you ask why they said; because I said so .
Well that�s the BLM that�s what they do . They make laws because they say so . The people don�t make them through congress . Nor did obama or any other president for that mater , make the law that this judge had to accepted because they did it by executive order .
Nope , the BLM came up on this all on their little own

that�s the power your telling us we have to accept , the problem is that a vast majority of us don�t .
OHHh ya we go along with it because if we don�t , we will end up like Bundy

Well I shouldn�t say we as I/ my family doesn�t have any real ranch anymore . But then there is the little problem that the BLM also has jurisdiction on private land MMMMMM , now that maybe even more complicated as they could come back and tell bundy he cant have cattle even on his deeded land because of some rare desert Nat, that resides in the now designated wetlands around his cattle trough .Thus for any reason if that water supply stops ,IE he refuses to pay the pwer bill for the pump . guess what the judge would have to rule in violation of the law for that to

I understand that, Mike. However, is that emotion enough to have you join a posse cluelesstatus to charge a hill for a freeloader who stole more from you than the BLM ever did?

The only freeloaders I see are those who claim to protect the turtles, save the owls, or transplant the wolves. I reckon they'll have final say over private property rights soon enough also. Free market capitalism is a thing of the past.

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/...st-land-grab-in-the-history-of-the-world

What kind of outfitter? ATV rides? Hunting Guide? River Rafting?





You sound like you know quite a bit. Have you ever went out with the BLM, where they study each other?

You and me love hunting and we're conservationists. Some folks love turtles and the intricacies of the inner workings of nature. They are preservationists and conservationists,as well. Bundy is a rancher freeloading on our dime who couldn't give a rat's ass about you and me...or the turtle lovers. He's a capitalist making a profit. Oh yeah, he thinks the government owes him that gig and we pay for it.

Who gets that land use? The turtle lovers, us hunters and conservationists or Bundy's type? Who speaks for "all" on the public lands.

This dispute deals with the simple fact that the freeloading rancher thinks it's his land and he'll decide how the land will be utilized,rather than courts of law.

Sorry Mike, I'll take a pass on that approach.

I can say it was all good before clinton came along; then the nightmare started. I can sympathize; and they can stick freeloader in their butt. You ought to talk to a few loggers of the era also I think they were called eco terrorists.

I live in Arizona, where there are all kinds of "outfitters" or as NPS calls them "concessionaires".

Sycamore

Do these "outfitters" hunt NPS land, or just bicycle it? Eco tourism is a growing industry, and the government has their hand out.


http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/media...on/0.Par.42431.File.dat/Stips%202006.pdf

some outfitters hunt "nps" land in Lake Mead NRA (south end of Arizona Strip)

I know of 15 companies (outfitters) that run commercial river trips in Grand Canyon.

Bunch of Fishing Outfitters/guides at Lees Ferry, but I don't know who regulates them. AzGF? NPS-Glen Canyon?

There's definitely a bicycle rental at the south rim.

What about your tale of woe and intrigue?

What kind of outfitter, what state?

Sycamore

The hunting kind. 5 different states. We even had luck suing arizona to allow out of state outfitters.

Well,....I guess it's settled.

How did things like this ever get worked out before the 24 hour campfire arrived on the scene.

was that Outfitters Unlimited? I think I remember something about that.

Sycamore

You have to buy someone out nowadays; but even after you put your money down, it doesn't guarantee you the necessary permits. Permits are readily granted for winter camping, hiking adventures, bicycling and such.