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Dude, you look bad because you ignore facts.

And,to accept and argue within established facts should be a bastion and foundation of conservative principles. To call folks liberals and commies because they feel constrained to deal with the reality of proven facts is a character flaw of yours, not those you lamely attack, without any substantive basis whatsoever.

TFF.

Well Bob,

Judging by your response to the initial post of this thread: "Militias head to Nevada rancher�s standoff with feds: We�re not �afraid to shoot "

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth..._Militias_head_to_Nevada_ran#Post8769824


And the judging by other reactions to that post you made, any personal attacks toward your own character being flawed in fact would have plenty of substantive basis.

Saw this one today . . .

Long before Cliven Bundy faced down federal agents in his dispute with the Bureau of Land Management over grazing rights, fellow Nevada rancher Raymond Yowell, an 84-year-old former Shoshone chief, watched as the BLM seized his herd.
Adding to that, since 2008 they've taken his money as well -- in the form of a piece of his Social Security checks.

Yowell's 132 head of cattle had grazed for decades on the South Fork Western Shoshone Indian Reservation in northeastern Nevada until 2002, when the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) -- the same agency at odds with Bundy -- seized them. The federal agency sold the cattle at auction and used the proceeds to pay off the portion of back grazing fees it claimed Yowell owed. Once the cattle was sold, the agency sent Yowell a bill for the outstanding balance, some $180,000. They've been garnishing his monthly Social Security checks since 2008 to satisfy the debt Yowell says he does not owe.

"There�s a definite pattern in the West, beginning in the 1990s, maybe in the late '80s, of what I feel are illegal cattle seizures," Yowell said. "[Bundy's case] is the latest example of that pattern.�

While Bundy is defying the federal agency over fees for grazing cattle on government-owned land, Yowell's cattle had roamed reservation land. But a 1979 Supreme Court decision held that even land designated for Indian reservations is held in trust for them, and thus subject to BLM regulation. Yowell says treaties that led to creation of the reservation granted him and other herdsmen the right to graze cattle on the land, which they did successfully for decades. The Western Shoshone say they have never relinquished their right to the territory.

Yowell represented himself in a successful effort to win a federal injunction to stop the BLM from impounding his cattle, as well as a subsequent 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruling that reversed the lower court. He's again representing himself in a petition to have the U.S. Supreme Court hear his case, in which he argues his cattle were taken without due process and in violation of multiple treaties.

�Certainly, due process of law has not been followed in my case,� Yowell told FoxNews.com. �When we were kids going to school, learning the white way, we said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning and one of the things I remember saying is �equality and justice for all.� Well that�s certainly not the case.�
Celia Boddington, a BLM spokeswoman, said she had no comment on the pending case. But the BLM has previously said the tribe�s Te-Moak Livestock Association held a federal permit to graze cattle on the public land from 1940 to 1984, but had stopped paying required fees in 1984, when it asserted the tribe rightfully owned the land.

Last week, the U.S. Solicitor General's Office, which represents the federal government in disputes before the Supreme Court, was granted an extension in Yowell's case even as the Bundy situation was making national headlines. Federal attorneys are due to file a response to Yowell's petition for a writ of certiorari on June 4.

While the Bundy case is not exactly the same as Yowell's, the parallels are obvious in the The Silver State and beyond. Bundy�s dispute, like Yowell�s, dates back decades to when the government designated the scenic Gold Butte region, where Bundy's cattle graze, as protected habitat for endangered desert tortoise and slashed his allotment of cows. He then quit paying grazing fees to BLM, which canceled his grazing permit and ordered him to remove his 380 cattle.

Yowell said he sees some �commonality� between his fight and Bundy�s, but stressed his claim to the land is further strengthened by the Treaty of Ruby Valley of 1863, which formally recognized Western Shoshone rights to some 60 million acres in Nevada, Idaho, Utah and California. In 1979, however, the Supreme Court ruled that the treaty gave the government trusteeship over tribal lands and could eventually claim them as �public� or federal land.

�His feeling is that he�s acquired certain rights and now his rights are being violated by the Bureau of Land Management,� Yowell said. �But I have Indian rights, treaty rights that he doesn�t have.�

Yowell, who has separately sued the BLM and the Treasury Department for $30 million, said the U.S Treasury Department began garnishing his Social Security in 2008 check at BLM�s behest.

�They�re entitled to take up to 15 percent of what I get,� said Yowell, who receives $962 of what should be an $1,150 check per month. �And that�s what they�re doing.�

Yowell, who retired in 2006 and turned what remained of his ranching business
over to his 50-year-old son, said his legal fight is his "legacy," even though it has already left him with a jaded view of the white man's government.

�It�s diminished my feeling, my view of the government,� Yowell told FoxNews.com. �They don�t practice what they say.�

fuggin' commies

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For those of you who think the government didn't win the day in being wise enough to avoid bloodshed and death over this HS,after courts of law have ruled, shame on what you've become.

Bundy's lie about ancestral grazing rights.

Looks like some good reportings been overlooked.

fuggin' commies

Are any of you really suppressed?

It turns out that Fox News hero Cliven Bundy is not just a lawbreaking moocher � [b]he�s also a big, fat liar
Read more at http://www.newshounds.us/cliven_bun...ews_let_him_04222014#tlevfzU3P0wDY5S1.99[/b]

Tale a few mins and look up one of Alaska's favorite Tea Party candidates for federal office...Joe Miller...Also a "awbreaking moocher � he�s also a big, fat liar" and is running for Congress with full 21 guns a blazing by the gullible conservative up here.

Link: ww.bestoftheblogs.com/Home/post/Alaska-s-Joe-Miller--Another--Conservative--Leech

Where we part company is your thinking that Bundy can ignore the law by inciting violence against the government, especially when the law was abundantly clear on all points.

"I don't like it" isn't a argument for folks over 2 years old. Willingness to die over it suggests we have many not wiser than two year olds.

Egging it on from your rocking chair on the sun side of your porch is pathetic.