Home Forums Hunting & Shooting AR and Tactical Rifles DPMS Gen II = GAMECHANGER

is the mass of the bolt carrier significantly decreased? I will have to go try the buffer springs in the one at my gunshop if its not gone already. I like the 16 inch SS barreled model but I would change out the cheese grater forearm.

The MP10 has gone bang every single time, shoots into an 1 to 11/2 with factory barrel, is 10 pounds or just over with scope, 20 round Pmag and 20 rounds, LT104 mount and sling.

I kind of would like to know how the factory DPMS SS barrels shoot before I dive into the DPMS water.

As far as cratered primers, not sure I care, I hand load but never go over book max.

The SASS barrels are tack-drivers, those are not factory DPMS barrels. The SS barrel on the Recon I don't know.

I'm getting the Recon and will share my thoughts after I received it and fired some ammo through it.

The hunter models are not a direct comparison due to different barrel profiles.

The only real comparison is with the 24" bull barrel model.

The weight loss on the SASS is well over 2 lbs but again there are other ways that the Gen II was lightened on that model.

I shot another 100rnds through my Gen II last night and it functioned perfectly with LC M80. The 149gr FMJ chronoed 2800fps in the 20 inch barrel. Doing a 20 rnd mag dump with the 7.62 will really find holes in your recoil management.

One pretty serious design problem with the Gen II is the short shell defector. If you shoot this thing off your left side you will get hit in the face with brass. It is possible that upping the gas would change the ejection pattern on my gun but that does not change the fact that the shell defector is totally inadequate for its intended purpose.

I wonder if they tried to design the defector to minimize damage to the brass but forgot the the deflectors primary purpose of making the rifle safe for use from the left side.

That is the model that I am interested in.

john, can you list all the things they have done to save weight. It would sure be nice if the ar 10's had a standardized setup. I also very much prefer the midwest industries rails I like the gen 2 ss model the best though. The heavy weight for the ar 10's are what got to build a grendel instead. The grendel has turned out to get an oddball and right now its gathering dust in this extreme component shortage. I just can't shoot the thing. it needs the right bullets and the right power for it to do its thing right now I can't get either. a lighter 308 would be better.

Yep, I get to thinking about a 6.8 every once in a while as well...but slap my head and say...but you could have had a .308. I like the recon G2 but the cheese grater would have to go at once.

John,

Do you know the actual weight savings on the new design? Meaning, the weight saved by the new receivers and bolt vs. old style with same barrel profile, handguard, stock, etc...?

I would buy a 6mm HAGAR if the brass ever became readily available but Hornady can't keep up with the stuff they already make so it'll likely never happen.

You talking about the rail?

yes sir, the rail, like the stainless barrel and other equipment but have no use for a cheese grater fore end.

Did you get the recon? Pictures? How did it go????

hopefully this thread improves dpms reputation so it's not embarrassing to own one anymore. has anyone figured out if it will kill anything yet?

I checked out the dpms hunter gen 2 the other day. YES I think its a game changer. I actually want one. It feels very ar 15 like. even though the free float tube is plain on the hunter model. for a 308 semi I don't need all the doohickeys on the rail. maybe a midwest gen 2 ss rail would be better at a slight weight penalty.

I also thought the trigger was halfway decent too. it was a 2 stage affair. it would be really cool being able to get some custom barrels for it. I would also like to see some wildcats developed for it. a 6mm creedmore would be cool as well as others.

Been missing you over on THF, good to see you're still thinning the population.

many here are considering letting DPMS back into the circle of trust...

that's more than a game changer. that would redefine the entire sport!

you're not missing much. haven't put a smack down on a large number in quite a while. just a few small groups now and then.

The firing pin hole referred to is cratered/ champfered or oversize , like in firing pin rattles. Would it not be easier in either case to match the firing pin to the hole or get a bolt that meets your expectations??? Bushing the bolt seems like a lot of unnecessary execise.

I have read a lot on the DPMS Gen II, everyone refers to primer cratering, I have not read a post regards a pierced primer as of yet. If you pierce a primer and it flows into the firing pin hole, I guess it could jam the pin resulting in an inoperable rifle. Looks like from most posts of targets the gun is on average a 1.5 MOA rifle, (some posted targets with .3 inch diameter bullet holes claim better but the eye does not lie). The real attraction is that it handles like a 5.56 AR. Some have gone so far as to claim it obsoletes the 5.56 SPR and will marginalize the 6.8 and 6.5 grendal in a gas gun.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_793/products_id/90761/DPMS+RFLRG2REC+GII+Recon+20%2B1+308WIN7.62NATO+16%22

Recon G2, Buds Gun Shop...$1389.00 Cash.

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http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_793/products_id/77868/DPMS+RFLRREC+Recon+AR-10+LR-308+SA+308+Win+16%22+19%2B1+Magpul+M

This is the old style for.....$1180.00

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Nice to know that the guns are available.

Y'all seeing any better prices???